Can I install late (hub-centric) rotors on an early car? |
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Can I install late (hub-centric) rotors on an early car? |
euro911 |
Oct 8 2018, 03:55 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,855 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
I have all new calipers from Eric Shea to install on our '71 914, and need to install new rotors when it all goes together. I was thinking about installing hub-centric rotors.
Is this possible utilizing the existing early front struts? What about the rear? |
TravisNeff |
Oct 8 2018, 03:57 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I think the rotor offset is a little different
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Dave_Darling |
Oct 8 2018, 10:28 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
It is. I don't know if the calipers won't fit, or if they'll fit strangely, but they won't be right.
The rears are the same; they're all lug-centric. --DD |
914Sixer |
Oct 9 2018, 06:45 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,988 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Just pick up a set of late struts and go from there. They are cheap and easy to find. Got to go with new ball joints though.
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bdstone914 |
Oct 9 2018, 08:43 AM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,673 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
Double post
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bdstone914 |
Oct 9 2018, 08:47 AM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,673 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
No. Ask me how I know. Requires late struts, rotors, calipers, pads, backing plates, flex lines, hardlines, ball joints and flex line hardware.
Both the caliper and strut offset are different for early and late styles. No interchangability. Only the pad spreaders and pins are the same. Got some parts you can pick up Sunday at the swap meet. Have the struts and rotors backing plates. CHEAP. The parts that is. Right up your alley. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Maybe Eric will swap the early for late calipers. Bruce @Dave_Darling @EURO911 |
euro911 |
Oct 9 2018, 02:05 PM
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Thanks for the info, gents. I have everything else to rebuild the original (early) front end, so I'll just purchase some new early rotors ...
I also have a Lemforder turbo tie rod kit - will it fit all years, as is? |
mepstein |
Oct 9 2018, 02:21 PM
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euro911 |
Oct 9 2018, 04:31 PM
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bigkensteele |
Oct 9 2018, 05:34 PM
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I have a set of late struts and brakes for cheap if you want them. Off the top of my head, $100 + shipping?
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r_towle |
Oct 9 2018, 07:14 PM
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You should go for the later struts if only for the ball joint!
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rhodyguy |
Oct 10 2018, 10:07 AM
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Mark, you might inquire about that later front end removed at that work party. Clean it up, install the new parts and bolt it in. In SoCal. Shipping $ for a complete frontend would be steep.
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dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Oct 10 2018, 10:27 AM
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no you will have to change the struts to the later model late late 72 above serial number 19.000 or so through 76
I have all new calipers from Eric Shea to install on our '71 914, and need to install new rotors when it all goes together. I was thinking about installing hub-centric rotors. Is this possible utilizing the existing early front struts? What about the rear? |
euro911 |
Oct 10 2018, 11:14 AM
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Hi George.
The reason I posted was because I have a full set of late rotors & bearings, ball joints, bushings and a complete turbo tie rod kit - they're all new parts that were destined for a [late] car that was sold when I closed up shop (2015). I also have new front & rear calipers from PMB, bushings and ball joints for the '71. So, in reading the replies so far, I see two different stories: 1. I need to change everything (except the tie rod kit & bushings)? 2. I only need to change to the late struts? Now I'm confused (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) ... (or more confused than normally) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
euro911 |
Dec 24 2018, 04:27 AM
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Again, I need more clarification, please.
Needed: * Late struts - Understood, and I have a few source options. I will need ones that accommodate Bilstein inserts (which I purchased from Kevin Foust a few years ago). * Late calipers - I can purchase a new pair from Eric and sell the new early [PMB restored] early ones * Late flexible brake hoses - I can buy new ones from Pelican, or ... Already have: * Zimmerman late rotors - including races, bearings & seals * Lemforder Turbo tie rod kit - including the washers and boots * Lemforder late ball joints * Porterfield late brake pads * One late PMB SS front hard line * Late A/control arms - I'll be picking up a nice powder-coated pair soon, including new bushings, new Lemforder ball joints and some other newly-plated parts (from Dan) Questionable items: * Late backing plates? - how do they differ from early? * Late hard brake lines? - how to they differ from early? ... anything else (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
914Sixer |
Dec 24 2018, 07:42 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,988 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
See if this helps:
Late Struts (install your Bilstein inserts) Late Backing Plates (different from early VW Type 3) Late brake hard lines (early can be used just different configuration) Late brake flex hose Late Calipers |
914_teener |
Dec 24 2018, 11:14 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,245 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
See if this helps: Late Struts (install your Bilstein inserts) Late Backing Plates (different from early VW Type 3) Late brake hard lines (early can be used just different configuration) Late brake flex hose Late Calipers (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Yep. This is what you will need to do for a late front end set up. And if you don't already have one...put a stock sway bar in with adjustable drop link while you are there. |
914Sixer |
Dec 24 2018, 12:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,988 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Christmas freebie for you Mark, pay freight.
late struts, shields |
n2j2ryan |
Dec 24 2018, 12:44 PM
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Doing the same thing. What is early/late when it comes to brakes and front ends. The car I am keeping is a late 72, while the front end I want to swap in is an early 74 (9/73). From what I understand this is a straight swap. I did rebuild the calipers from the 72, is there any advantage to using the dual bleeders on the late?
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euro911 |
Dec 24 2018, 02:10 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,855 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
See if this helps: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Late Struts (install your Bilstein inserts) Late Backing Plates (different from early VW Type 3) Late brake hard lines (early can be used just different configuration) Late brake flex hose Late Calipers Yep. This is what you will need to do for a late front end set up. And if you don't already have one...put a stock sway bar in with adjustable drop link while you are there. I appreciate the 'freebie' strut offer too! Mark Epstein also offered up a free pair, but he's even further east (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) ... going to try to source a pair locally first. Yes, Rob, I will be installing a stock bar that I got from THOMAS many years ago, David Feltzer's custom arm and drop-link set up, and an pair of reinforcement plates that Mark Bland (Engman) made. Merry Christmas, gentlemen ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif) |
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