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Neo914 single piece door windows, the plan at least... |
neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 12:57 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
New Porsches have done away with "vent" glass as have most modern cars so this feature should be on the Neo914. Apparently this has been done by someone in AK but was too much custom work such that it required constant adjustment and the fabricator would not duplicate them based on these problems. The person telling me the information guessed the donor glass came from a Jeep. Miles claims one was done with Miata door glass but they come with a vent window like the 914…? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif)
Installing them will require a triangle "filler" so the front rail will have enough space to be mounted and there will be more than a "point" of the glass in the rail. There are two metal pockets that strengthen the hinges and there is a door stop mechanism which will interfere with a rail at the forward side of the door. Since the door is relatively short, there is very little room for structure below the window to firmly hold the window upright in extension. Some doors actually bond a mount up on the glass for the lifter. If I can’t find an existing side glass that works I'll go ahead and cut a plexiglass piece to develop the lift mechanism. If there is enough interest I’d consider having them manufactured. I’ve got tooling estimates and they can produce them out of tempered or laminate glass. A kit may not be feasible since the door will require cutting and fabrication to fit the glass, rails, and mechanism. It would likely be a complete door with core charge. Attached image(s) |
neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 12:59 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
The door and various pieces, including an electric window motor from a Mercedes...
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 01:00 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Here’s the door glass pieces, notice the "notch"...
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 01:01 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
I traced a single piece template of the two pieces. The dimensions are ~33” long and ~17” max height...
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 01:05 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
I test fit the template on dozens of cars at a dismantler and found very few modern cars have windshields with the positive angle or rake of a 914. Every car including commuters had lower rake and wide radius’ between the front edge and top of the glass. I began to look at 70’s and 80’s coupes of which only a SAAB has a more upright rake. Need to make a more rigid template! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif)
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 01:07 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
VW, Volvos, and BMWs had lower rake. I didn’t’ have a chance to look at Jeeps…Matching the front rake AND rear angle is the challenge. I actually found something close within ½” but the A-pillar has a sharp radius and the front corner is not cut off which is necessary for rail fitment. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)
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Brent |
Sep 5 2005, 02:00 AM
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Every month is Oktober Group: Members Posts: 1,360 Joined: 16-December 04 From: North San Jose Member No.: 3,291 Region Association: Northern California |
What about MR2 or Fiero or similar? Saw many of those at local dismantlers.
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redshift |
Sep 5 2005, 03:08 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
heh damn if they aren't! I was told the glass was out of a Miata door... can't be so.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) M |
neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 03:09 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Fiero had alot more rake and radius at the top of the a-pillar plus it is wider. No MR2's at Commercial St. PNP but it's interesting how many cars have much more lower rake than the 914's. Even the upward seated cars (taller) have more windshield rake, dam stylists... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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redshift |
Sep 5 2005, 03:12 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
You should see their hair. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving-girl.gif) |
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Brent |
Sep 5 2005, 03:37 AM
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Every month is Oktober Group: Members Posts: 1,360 Joined: 16-December 04 From: North San Jose Member No.: 3,291 Region Association: Northern California |
I saw two there just three weeks ago. It was in the Toyota section, just after entry. Maybe, this is a diff place... the one off 13th and Berryessa By the Flea Market? I was checking the engine vent ducts. One gold one and one red one. I can meet you there tomorrow. Still 50% percent off I beleive. -B |
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 03:41 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) Attached image(s) |
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 03:49 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Can anyone substantiate this:
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MecGen |
Sep 5 2005, 03:49 AM
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8 Easy Steps Group: Members Posts: 848 Joined: 8-January 05 From: Laval, Canada Member No.: 3,421 |
Hi Felix
I have been looking into this for about 10 years, and have came to the same conclusion, retro fitting something else. I plan to rake my widshield...if you can PM me to whats close (car model) for a rake. Also what is the blue car? It looks like a RX7 ? I have the CHT catalog. Inside they have many models of universal fit regulator/motors, lots of hardware including glass mounting and rails with squeagys. Thats the route I,m taking but I think you are going for a more OEM mod. Thanx for the research, I think this is a viable mod. Later (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) |
neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 04:02 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
I seriously contemplated raking the windshield then you would only need to match the width and the b-pillar rake. I wish there was a database the windshield companies would let you view... New is not out of the question but I'd have to "invest" in tooling... |
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 04:04 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
That's the one, I missed those MR2's. I believe the b-pillars are straight on them, though. May meet you if I can find an hour. I'd like to pull one of the glasses to check what's inside the door... |
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Brent |
Sep 5 2005, 04:06 AM
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Every month is Oktober Group: Members Posts: 1,360 Joined: 16-December 04 From: North San Jose Member No.: 3,291 Region Association: Northern California |
I can go and do the dirty work for you. I will take many picks with my new point and shoot.
-B |
redshift |
Sep 5 2005, 07:05 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Hey, I WAS JUST TOLD, I NEVER ACTUALLY LOOKED AT A MAYNOTAUGHTA! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pinch.gif) NO! I CAN'T LOOK! M |
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 11:19 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
So you made ME look at it!! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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neo914-6 |
Sep 5 2005, 01:29 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Brent, that would be great, I'd pay you for it since It would allow me to have something to visualize and plan the mounts. My daughters having a play date so gotta make sure they don't get hurt or hurt each other. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) Here's the planned end result for those who missed the Neo914 thread... Attached image(s) |
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