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> Just another damned project thread, 914-6 3.2 conversion in GT dress-up
Jake Raby
post Nov 21 2011, 01:00 PM
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Does the engine feel 40hp stronger than the old one??
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post Nov 21 2011, 01:21 PM
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Wow, that course was CLOSE to those pit cars.
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post Nov 21 2011, 08:48 PM
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Wow, that course was CLOSE to those pit cars.


We were at Infinion close to some school cars at the West end of the Paddock...
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post Nov 21 2011, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 21 2011, 11:00 AM) *

Does the engine feel 40hp stronger than the old one??


Much stronger. This one breaks the tires loose... sliding around corners with R-rated rubber...
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post Nov 22 2011, 07:23 AM
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Drat you guys for having so much fun.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.

What would a motor like that do to a fully caged racer? I guess Randal could tell us.
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post Nov 22 2011, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE(RobW @ Nov 22 2011, 05:23 AM) *

Drat you guys for having so much fun.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.

What would a motor like that do to a fully caged racer? I guess Randal could tell us.



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The other guy to ask is Bill Charron who will be 60lbs lighter than 222 next year. His motor is big on torque as well.
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post Nov 22 2011, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(RobW @ Nov 22 2011, 05:23 AM) *

Drat you guys for having so much fun.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)

Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.

What would a motor like that do to a fully caged racer? I guess Randal could tell us.



(IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

The other guy to ask is Bill Charron who will be 60lbs lighter than 222 next year. His motor is big on torque as well.


Or you could tell us.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)
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post Nov 22 2011, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(RobW @ Nov 22 2011, 07:18 AM) *

Or you could tell us.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

OK OK...

On a scale of 1 to 10, a stripped down 914 with a 4 cylinder torque motor is anyone's Easy 9. It's becomes a 10 when the driver can manage to put together a great run and capture a podium spot for the day.

My car, now being about 90%+ sorted, is very neutral. It doesn't misbehave at all. On the other hand the driver can easily lose time on a course by over cooking corners, performing brain fade things like hitting the loud pedal on 180's before the car is fully rotated and so on and so on..... In fact the real challenge is driving 10 tenths and doing it mistake free. This latter challenge is very difficult to do.

Also I'm still exploring the limits of the car and will start this all over again next year when I go with a different tire setup. Running on some new sticky tires will be a whole new experience, abet expensive.

What you also find is that the faster you go the more time you have to put in to bring the last thing, or system that failed, or that isn't working correctly, up to par.

But when all systems are go and the tires get hot, say like at the Medford WCR, it becomes an attack machine. You can simply attack most corners. Hard to believe but true and just a whole bunch of fun.

Of course there will always be some corners that you have to sneak up on, i.e., like 10 at Infineon or the big (first corner) sweeper at Medford. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 22 2011, 04:37 PM
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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.
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post Nov 22 2011, 07:29 PM
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OK OK...

On a scale of 1 to 10, a stripped down 914 with a 4 cylinder torque motor is anyone's Easy 9. It's becomes a 10 when the driver can manage to put together a great run and capture a podium spot for the day.

My car, now being about 90%+ sorted, is very neutral. It doesn't misbehave at all. On the other hand the driver can easily lose time on a course by over cooking corners, performing brain fade things like hitting the loud pedal on 180's before the car is fully rotated and so on and so on..... In fact the real challenge is driving 10 tenths and doing it mistake free. This latter challenge is very difficult to do.

Also I'm still exploring the limits of the car and will start this all over again next year when I go with a different tire setup. Running on some new sticky tires will be a whole new experience, abet expensive.

What you also find is that the faster you go the more time you have to put in to bring the last thing, or system that failed, or that isn't working correctly, up to par.

But when all systems are go and the tires get hot, say like at the Medford WCR, it becomes an attack machine. You can simply attack most corners. Hard to believe but true and just a whole bunch of fun.

Of course there will always be some corners that you have to sneak up on, i.e., like 10 at Infineon or the big (first corner) sweeper at Medford. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Things happen fast in autocrossing. With this engine, things happened so fast it overcame 30 years of autocrossing experience! I was pretty busy at the 'slow down' section at the end of the course.

I kept thinking "I'd love to have video from outside the car" as I was driving the back straight. I could feel the car sliding and digging for traction.

I had no idea there were four of these engines running around. It winds up very quickly and scoots right along. With the flares I should have a little better tire control. The rear wheels will be 16X8.5 Fuchs and the front 16X7 Fuchs.
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post Nov 22 2011, 08:03 PM
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I had no idea there were four of these engines running around.

Yep, thats it.. About the time I was ready to make it a kit, I decided to kill the kit program.

I might use the combo for some very special turn key applications when they pop up but for now ALL we are creating are 2270 engines.. I have nothing else on the books clear through December of 2012!
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post Nov 22 2011, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 22 2011, 02:37 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.
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post Nov 22 2011, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 22 2011, 06:03 PM) *

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I had no idea there were four of these engines running around.

Yep, thats it.. About the time I was ready to make it a kit, I decided to kill the kit program.

I might use the combo for some very special turn key applications when they pop up but for now ALL we are creating are 2270 engines.. I have nothing else on the books clear through December of 2012!


Curse you for building such a cool engine.

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QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 22 2011, 08:30 PM) *

QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 22 2011, 02:37 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.


You're right. Conedodger is technically a foreigner now...
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post Nov 23 2011, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(RobW @ Nov 22 2011, 08:58 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.


You're right. Conedodger is technically a foreigner now...


Technically? I am pretty sure I am not going to even bother filing California State Income Tax Forms next year... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)
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QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 22 2011, 08:30 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.


You should have been there Randal. 222 would have definitely given the Stalker and the Bugeye a run for their money! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 22 2011, 09:30 PM) *

QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 22 2011, 02:37 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.

Its not that important to me... I'd rather hang out over at the farm...
We are done with competition.. Turned down two race engine builds this week alone..
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QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Nov 22 2011, 11:05 PM) *

QUOTE(RobW @ Nov 22 2011, 08:58 PM) *

QUOTE(Randal @ Nov 22 2011, 08:30 PM) *

QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 22 2011, 02:37 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.


You're right. Conedodger is technically a foreigner now...


Technically? I am pretty sure I am not going to even bother filing California State Income Tax Forms next year... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)

Wow. Is CA really that bad? Torch the place a few weeks after leaving. Classy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 23 2011, 04:19 AM) *

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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Nov 22 2011, 02:37 PM) *

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Cool motor. Seems to wind up fast like no other /4 I've seen.


Because the guy that designed it understands that throttle response, torque and a broad operating range are all more important than peak horsepower.

That combo took about 8 years to get this the stage it is in Rob's 914... Only 4 of them exist and one of them is mine, going into my 356 Outlaw.





Why don't you bring one of those 4 out to California and compete against 222.

Its not that important to me... I'd rather hang out over at the farm...
We are done with competition.. Turned down two race engine builds this week alone..



Too bad.... its a tough economy for sure.... but we are starting to see people spending $$ because they are realizing that life is too short not to enjoy it...
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