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> The 914 5-Lug 911 Suspension Question and Answer Thread, All you wanted to know in one place...
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post Jan 17 2014, 03:51 PM
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I have 3" on there now, and will be putting 3.5" on. So I think these bearings are for the 3", and not the 3.5" that I have. Right?

I couldn't find these bearings listed on any of the parts websites we all use. When I pulled the hubs off of the 3" struts, they slit right off. I couldn't get these bearings on the 3".

If anyone can follow all of that...I'll be impressed!
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post Jan 17 2014, 04:09 PM
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The spindles themselves are all the same on the 911's. Just the threaded end changes so those are good for either.
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post Mar 16 2014, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jan 17 2014, 11:43 AM) *

Yup. 914 spindles are smaller all around. Smaller inner and outer bearings etc.

Totally untrue. The 911 and 914 spindle diameters where the bearings ride are IDENTICAL in diameter.

QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jan 17 2014, 11:53 AM) *

FYI... a few years ago I did some digging with a local bearing seller. We found two tapered roller bearings with the proper OD for a 911 hub, and the proper ID for a 914/4 spindle. We also found the proper seal.

There are no special bearings. To put 911 hubs on a 914, you need the 911 bearings, seals and possibly the inner collar that the seal rides on. I've had two sets of 914 struts with 911 hubs and just confirmed that the bearings are an exact fit between 914 and 911 spindles.
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post Mar 16 2014, 03:36 PM
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So, all you need to convert a four lug 914 strut to 5 lug is a 911 hub with bearings that fit the 914 spindle?
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post Mar 16 2014, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 16 2014, 04:36 PM) *

So, all you need to convert a four lug 914 strut to 5 lug is a 911 hub with bearings that fit the 914 spindle?

Seriously? Read my post above again. The answer is in RED.
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post Mar 16 2014, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE(tomeric914 @ Mar 16 2014, 07:51 PM) *

QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 16 2014, 04:36 PM) *

So, all you need to convert a four lug 914 strut to 5 lug is a 911 hub with bearings that fit the 914 spindle?

Seriously? Read my post above again. The answer is in RED.


Seriously? Then the classic thread needs to be revised to inform potential converters to this option. Instead of everyone replacing their entire front suspension with a 911 one?
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post Mar 16 2014, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 16 2014, 06:55 PM) *

QUOTE(tomeric914 @ Mar 16 2014, 07:51 PM) *

QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 16 2014, 04:36 PM) *

So, all you need to convert a four lug 914 strut to 5 lug is a 911 hub with bearings that fit the 914 spindle?

Seriously? Read my post above again. The answer is in RED.


Seriously? Then the classic thread needs to be revised to inform potential converters to this option. Instead of everyone replacing their entire front suspension with a 911 one.


Exactly. This "classic" thread was wrong from the start. Eric will need to update the first post of this thread. If I were an admin, I would have done it by now.
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post Mar 18 2014, 02:49 PM
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What is this? Amateur hour?

Ummm put'th thy crack'th pipe down'th.

It "was" an otherwise "accurate" "classic" thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Smallish 914 inner bearing measurement:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net-1110-1395175770.1.jpg)

Not as smallish 911 inner bearing race measurement:
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post Mar 18 2014, 02:58 PM
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Totally untrue. The 911 and 914 spindle diameters where the bearings ride are IDENTICAL in diameter.


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Good luck with that.

Perhaps a video will help. 911 inner wheel bearing on a 914 spindle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xu_7J58IEU
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post Mar 18 2014, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 16 2014, 05:55 PM) *

QUOTE(tomeric914 @ Mar 16 2014, 07:51 PM) *

QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 16 2014, 04:36 PM) *

So, all you need to convert a four lug 914 strut to 5 lug is a 911 hub with bearings that fit the 914 spindle?

Seriously? Read my post above again. The answer is in RED.


Seriously? Then the classic thread needs to be revised to inform potential converters to this option. Instead of everyone replacing their entire front suspension with a 911 one.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bufTna0WArc
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post Mar 18 2014, 04:10 PM
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There you go dealing in facts again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Mar 18 2014, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 18 2014, 02:10 PM) *

There you go dealing in facts again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)



Well the jury is still out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

First off : Mrs. Hea didn't measure the inside of the 914 race. He measured the midside diameter of the bearing, ( see pic for poof ) but then the inside of the 911 race. suspicious ? yes !

Second : Mrs. Hea did not post his " factual " findings in red, therefore it is still unfounded and more research needs to be done. I'll patiently await some REAL results from Woody or Jake
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post Mar 18 2014, 04:32 PM
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Poorly

Measured

Bearings

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But hey! feel free to delete any of my posts to return this thread to classic status. Your "how to" threads are a blessing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Mar 18 2014, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 18 2014, 03:58 PM) *

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Totally untrue. The 911 and 914 spindle diameters where the bearings ride are IDENTICAL in diameter.


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Good luck with that.

Perhaps a video will help. 911 inner wheel bearing on a 914 spindle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xu_7J58IEU


I would not have posted my findings without verification first.

I took the inner and outer bearings off the 914 model numbered strut/spindle and transferred them directly to the late 911 strut/spindle and they fit exactly with no play. Did 914/6 struts have a 914 part number to them? If so then that explains what I have. The car is not an original 6.
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post Mar 18 2014, 06:34 PM
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A few wraps of duct tape will take care of the mismatched diameters. Or grease. Just pack the gap with grease. Problem solved.
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post Mar 18 2014, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(scotty b @ Mar 18 2014, 04:22 PM) *

QUOTE(bulitt @ Mar 18 2014, 02:10 PM) *

There you go dealing in facts again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)



Well the jury is still out (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

First off : Mrs. Hea didn't measure the inside of the 914 race. He measured the midside diameter of the bearing, ( see pic for poof ) but then the inside of the 911 race. suspicious ? yes !

Second : Mrs. Hea did not post his " factual " findings in red, therefore it is still unfounded and more research needs to be done. I'll patiently await some REAL results from Woody or Jake


Dearest Mudslinger, measurements are from the same sections. The 914 bearing is so much smaller the calipers are resting on the "box" (not the bearing like the 911 bearing) skewing the view. If it were as yee suspected, that 914 bearing would be even smaller.

Back to yer paint huffing.

Hey, this used to be a useful thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
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post Mar 18 2014, 08:03 PM
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914-6 struts are the same as 911T struts yet have a 914.341.xxx.xx part number.

You should have verified what an actual 914 strut looks like as well. They are quite different.

Love the comments though, caps, quotation marks, red text and all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)
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post Mar 18 2014, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 18 2014, 07:03 PM) *

914-6 struts are the same as 911T struts yet have a 914.341.xxx.xx part number.

You should have verified what an actual 914 strut looks like as well. They are quite different.

Love the comments though, caps, quotation marks, red text and all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

So wait...now I am confused. Is this thread incorrect from the get-go as stated in post 67 or was it right all along? And should have I put this in RED?
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post Mar 18 2014, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 18 2014, 09:03 PM) *

914-6 struts are the same as 911T struts yet have a 914.341.xxx.xx part number.

The actual 914/6 strut part number would be great information to have in this "Classic" thread under option 2. It is not listed on PET. While they look like 911T struts, they aren't.

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 18 2014, 09:03 PM) *

You should have verified what an actual 914 strut looks like as well. They are quite different.

I did and apparently only have 914/6 strut housings in my stash. I also used your thread for verification which was missing the information above.

QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Mar 18 2014, 09:03 PM) *

Love the comments though, caps, quotation marks, red text and all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

I love the childish behavior on your part. Keep up the good work.
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