GT cooler install, Setrab unit from PMS |
|
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG.
This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way. Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners. |
|
GT cooler install, Setrab unit from PMS |
rtalich |
Oct 17 2015, 10:48 AM
Post
#1
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 6,913 Region Association: None |
I know there isn't a right or wrong way to install (or maybe there is). Just would like to know or get idea's from people that have done this particular install. Is there a prefabbed bracket I can buy? Or do I simply bolt this as close to the front as I possibly can? Using isolation mounts of course.
Also, how is the bottom shroud mounted? I have a few ideas of how I want to mount... just would like to see what others have done. Thanks! Attached image(s) |
Steve |
Oct 17 2015, 11:07 AM
Post
#2
|
914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,682 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
I used the pbase site as a guide when I did mine.
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/9146gt_front_m...l_coolerI'm http://www.pbase.com/9146gt/the9146gt_fron...l_modifications |
23e Heure |
Oct 18 2015, 02:26 PM
Post
#3
|
Busy overtaking 911s Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 13-August 15 From: London Member No.: 19,057 Region Association: England |
I'm bookmarking this thread...
Has anyone fitted the louvred belly pan section that PMS sell as part of the kit? Pictures please? |
mepstein |
Oct 18 2015, 03:14 PM
Post
#4
|
914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,507 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
|
23e Heure |
Oct 18 2015, 03:41 PM
Post
#5
|
Busy overtaking 911s Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 13-August 15 From: London Member No.: 19,057 Region Association: England |
I had a scroll through the PMS pics, and sorry if I am being a muppet and missing some obvious ones, I just can't see a nice detail shot of the louvred belly pan itself.
Would be nice to get a nice clean shot of a front trunk with the pan installed, and before a cooler and shroud (obv.!) has been fitted. The third one is the best angle... shame its such a small jpg (and a questionable install?) These are the best I could turn up thru the PMS links: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/patrickms.s3.amazonaws.com-19057-1445204467.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/patrickms.s3.amazonaws.com-19057-1445204469.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/patrickms.s3.amazonaws.com-19057-1445204470.3.JPG) |
mepstein |
Oct 18 2015, 04:10 PM
Post
#6
|
914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,507 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I wanted max air flow so I asked scotty to make me up a custom set of louvers. The aluminum shroud was his idea.
Attached thumbnail(s) |
rtalich |
Oct 18 2015, 07:21 PM
Post
#7
|
Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 6,913 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the info and pics so far!! All pics I've seen on PMS website are not all that detailed enough to see what was done exactly.
|
Cairo94507 |
Oct 19 2015, 06:48 AM
Post
#8
|
Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,008 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
|
naro914 |
Oct 19 2015, 08:27 AM
Post
#9
|
Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
We went a different route with Huey because we drive him for trips and want to use the front trunk area. We got a flatter style cooler and mounted it on the floor, that way the air is not heated up until it passes through the cooler and out, and the shroud does not get hot thus heating up everything in the front trunk (like the beer cooler that fits nicely up there!!). It also allows for a much flatter shroud meaning you have more open depth to use, but it takes up more of the floor space...so a trade off...
Unfortunately I don't have a picture of it (for some reason??) and its currently at the shop to get the rear suspension fixed. If I can sneak over there and get a few pics, I will For Papa Smurf, we fabricated a bracket system to vent it out the hood... |
stownsen914 |
Oct 19 2015, 09:16 AM
Post
#10
|
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 928 Joined: 3-October 06 From: Ossining, NY Member No.: 6,985 Region Association: None |
Whatever you do, make sure the actual surface area of the air exit from your trunck is at least the same as the surface area of your cooler. So if the dimensions of your cooler that face the air source are 24 x 6, for example, then the exit must be at least 144 sq. inches. 1.5 times the cooler size is even better. The louvered panels shown in the thread look like a nice, clean option, but I'll bet the actual louver openings are nowhere near the size needed to exit air for a large cooler.
Apologies if I am stating the obvious, but if the exit from your cooler is restrictive, the air will stack up in your duct and basically won't even enter your duct opening (hence limited cooling), and will defeat much of the purpose of a front mounted cooler setup. Scott |
naro914 |
Oct 19 2015, 09:33 AM
Post
#11
|
Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Scott's right. Obviously, air expands when heated so the volume of air increases and needs to exit....Which is another reason the mounted to the floor option worked well...the exit is effectively unlimited area..
|
anderssj |
Oct 19 2015, 10:21 AM
Post
#12
|
Dog is my copilot... Group: Members Posts: 1,688 Joined: 28-January 03 From: VA Member No.: 207 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Really nice work on the louvers and Al shroud.
Understand that the incoming air will want to expand when heated/as it passes through the cooler. Theoretically (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) if one is going fast enough* (and shapes the inlet and exit ducts correctly) then the smaller exit could provide some additional thrust via the "Meredith Effect." The next question would be where to put that exit . . . . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) *fast enough ~ > 200 mph |
EdwardBlume |
Oct 19 2015, 11:36 AM
Post
#13
|
914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California |
What's the total damage for cooler, shroud, oil lines and thermostat?
|
23e Heure |
Oct 19 2015, 12:23 PM
Post
#14
|
Busy overtaking 911s Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 13-August 15 From: London Member No.: 19,057 Region Association: England |
|
23e Heure |
Oct 19 2015, 12:47 PM
Post
#15
|
Busy overtaking 911s Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 13-August 15 From: London Member No.: 19,057 Region Association: England |
That custom made one in mepstein's post above does fit well, some nice fabricating went into that.
And I guess the extra louvres help allay any concerns about the (hot) air pressure physics. ... Still wondering though if we can find any clean photos of the standard PMS louvred belly pan installed..? |
SirAndy |
Oct 19 2015, 12:53 PM
Post
#16
|
Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,806 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Whatever you do, make sure the actual surface area of the air exit from your trunck is at least the same as the surface area of your cooler. So if the dimensions of your cooler that face the air source are 24 x 6, for example, then the exit must be at least 144 sq. inches. 1.5 times the cooler size is even better. The louvered panels shown in the thread look like a nice, clean option, but I'll bet the actual louver openings are nowhere near the size needed to exit air for a large cooler. Apologies if I am stating the obvious, but if the exit from your cooler is restrictive, the air will stack up in your duct and basically won't even enter your duct opening (hence limited cooling), and will defeat much of the purpose of a front mounted cooler setup. That would be true in a static environment. However, if you increase air speed after the cooler you can expel that same air just as efficiently with a smaller size outlet. Which is exactly what the louvers do ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Cairo94507 |
Oct 19 2015, 01:10 PM
Post
#17
|
Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,008 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Now you guys have me worried. I have the exact same set-up as Mark with louvers in the trunk floor, like PMS has on their car above. I am going to go out a limb here and say if PMS selected this method to expel hot air from their car, it will be good enough for my street driver. However, you got me thinking for a minute there....
|
mepstein |
Oct 19 2015, 01:27 PM
Post
#18
|
914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,507 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Now you guys have me worried. I have the exact same set-up as Mark with louvers in the trunk floor, like PMS has on their car above. I am going to go out a limb here and say if PMS selected this method to expel hot air from their car, it will be good enough for my street driver. However, you got me thinking for a minute there.... Michael - you have nothing to worry about. Remember, the front cooler is a supplement to your on engine cooler. Your covered. I removed my on engine cooler so I'm relying solely on the front cooler. If it gets to warm I will add back the engine cooler. |
mepstein |
Oct 19 2015, 01:29 PM
Post
#19
|
914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,507 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Whatever you do, make sure the actual surface area of the air exit from your trunck is at least the same as the surface area of your cooler. So if the dimensions of your cooler that face the air source are 24 x 6, for example, then the exit must be at least 144 sq. inches. 1.5 times the cooler size is even better. The louvered panels shown in the thread look like a nice, clean option, but I'll bet the actual louver openings are nowhere near the size needed to exit air for a large cooler. Apologies if I am stating the obvious, but if the exit from your cooler is restrictive, the air will stack up in your duct and basically won't even enter your duct opening (hence limited cooling), and will defeat much of the purpose of a front mounted cooler setup. That would be true in a static environment. However, if you increase air speed after the cooler you can expel that same air just as efficiently with a smaller size outlet. Which is exactly what the louvers do ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I'm going to use an electric fan over the louvers. Hopefully that will give me adequate airflow when the car is stationary |
SirAndy |
Oct 19 2015, 01:36 PM
Post
#20
|
Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,806 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Whatever you do, make sure the actual surface area of the air exit from your trunck is at least the same as the surface area of your cooler. So if the dimensions of your cooler that face the air source are 24 x 6, for example, then the exit must be at least 144 sq. inches. 1.5 times the cooler size is even better. The louvered panels shown in the thread look like a nice, clean option, but I'll bet the actual louver openings are nowhere near the size needed to exit air for a large cooler. That would be true in a static environment.Apologies if I am stating the obvious, but if the exit from your cooler is restrictive, the air will stack up in your duct and basically won't even enter your duct opening (hence limited cooling), and will defeat much of the purpose of a front mounted cooler setup. However, if you increase air speed after the cooler you can expel that same air just as efficiently with a smaller size outlet. Which is exactly what the louvers do ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) That wasn't my point, but yes, a fan will help when not moving. My point was that the design of the louvers will increase the air speed of the hot air while the car is moving, thus offsetting some of the surface area required for the exit holes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 22nd September 2024 - 12:07 PM |
All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002 |
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community! We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ... |