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| McMark |
 Dec 16 2009, 11:34 PM
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914 Freak!  Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None  |
Yup, SDS uses a hall effect sensor, which relies on magnets. Depending on the machining costs of my V2 trigger setup, building a Hall Effect setup MIGHT be possible. We shall see....
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| draganc |
Jan 21 2010, 09:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(McMark @ Dec 16 2009, 09:34 PM)  Yup, SDS uses a hall effect sensor, which relies on magnets. Depending on the machining costs of my V2 trigger setup, building a Hall Effect setup MIGHT be possible. We shall see.... Hi McMark, What is the progress on the SDS magnet wheel/disk, and for your current design what EFI system would you recomend on a 2056 set up stock or mild cam? Thanks, Dragan |
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| McMark |
Jan 22 2010, 12:43 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
My system only works with MegaSquirt for sure. It's the only one I've tested it with. And SDS/Magnet wheel is a completely different animal, and I haven't had time to research the components.
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| underthetire |
Jan 22 2010, 10:17 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 21 2010, 10:43 PM) My system only works with MegaSquirt for sure. It's the only one I've tested it with. And SDS/Magnet wheel is a completely different animal, and I haven't had time to research the components. So, if you have used the megasquirt with this, you would have all the ignition parameters as well ? Could these be provided? I'm getting a little closer to needing one, but I would not want wires soldered and filled. I can get the connector from my neighbor or DIY auto. |
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| draganc |
Jan 22 2010, 06:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
Thanks McMark,
Do you offer a complet kit (HW, MegaSquirt EFI, cable and misc.) and if yes for how much. If not, can you recommend a MegaSquirt configuration that will work with your kit on a 914 1976 with a stock 2.0 D-jet engine? Thanks, Dragan |
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| McMark |
Jan 27 2010, 02:53 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
I have a complete fuel injection system that is almost ready for sale. I need to finish up the ignition portion. If you're interested in the fuel only setup, send me a PM and I'll get you the details. It's not cheap though.
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| McMark |
Jan 27 2010, 02:55 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(underthetire @ Jan 22 2010, 08:17 AM) QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 21 2010, 10:43 PM) My system only works with MegaSquirt for sure. It's the only one I've tested it with. And SDS/Magnet wheel is a completely different animal, and I haven't had time to research the components. So, if you have used the megasquirt with this, you would have all the ignition parameters as well ? Could these be provided? I'm getting a little closer to needing one, but I would not want wires soldered and filled. I can get the connector from my neighbor or DIY auto. If you know of where to acquire uncrimped connectors, let me know. I'd love to abandon the current solution. I can help get your ignition setup, but there will always always always need to be tuning done specific to each engine. |
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| underthetire |
Jan 27 2010, 03:49 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California |
Check here http://www.whiteproducts.com/metri-pack.shtml
Not sure what one will work, but they might. |
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| jd74914 |
Jan 28 2010, 04:35 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,814 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
You can get Delphi WeatherPak connectors from Waytech. The only catch is that they typically have a minimum purchase of 5-10 for each component, but their prices undercut everyone else I have seen.
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| McMark |
Jan 28 2010, 04:40 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
This connector is not any of the (seems like hundreds) of WeatherPak connectors I've looked into. The pins are offset towards the bottom, the pins are flat not round, there is an alignment guide on both sides, and a clip on the top.
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| typ4 |
Jan 28 2010, 11:05 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 28-January 10 From: Oregon Member No.: 11,302 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 28 2010, 02:40 PM) This connector is not any of the (seems like hundreds) of WeatherPak connectors I've looked into. The pins are offset towards the bottom, the pins are flat not round, there is an alignment guide on both sides, and a clip on the top. What is the sensor off of, I do gm injection conversions and have dealt with about all sensor connectors there is. I would be happy to try and find it for you. |
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| arvcube |
Jan 29 2010, 01:00 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 25-September 07 From: poway, ca Member No.: 8,147 |
x2 on the question about what the sensor is off of...there has to be a pigtail or that sensor...
also, since the trigger wheel is"keyed" to fit on the crank only one way, when the crank is at TDC, where is the missing tooth located in regards to where the sensor is mounted? thanks |
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| typ4 |
Jan 29 2010, 11:14 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 28-January 10 From: Oregon Member No.: 11,302 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(arvcube @ Jan 28 2010, 11:00 PM) x2 on the question about what the sensor is off of...there has to be a pigtail or that sensor... also, since the trigger wheel is"keyed" to fit on the crank only one way, when the crank is at TDC, where is the missing tooth located in regards to where the sensor is mounted? thanks Here is a little blurb on that http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm |
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| arvcube |
Jan 29 2010, 02:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 170 Joined: 25-September 07 From: poway, ca Member No.: 8,147 |
QUOTE(typ4 @ Jan 29 2010, 09:14 AM) QUOTE(arvcube @ Jan 28 2010, 11:00 PM) x2 on the question about what the sensor is off of...there has to be a pigtail or that sensor... also, since the trigger wheel is"keyed" to fit on the crank only one way, when the crank is at TDC, where is the missing tooth located in regards to where the sensor is mounted? thanks Here is a little blurb on that http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm Yes, so i'm wondering if the the sensor position is 90 off from the missing tooth when at TDC or will I have to compensate through MS. I'm running MS and EDIS on my turbo scirocco and when I mounted my sensor, I did it 90 degrees off from the missing tooth, that way I wouldn't have to compensate for the difference through Megatune (or now Tunerstudio) |
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| McMark |
Jan 30 2010, 12:30 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
The adjustment in MegaTune is super easy and I can help with that, but if you absolutely need the missing tooth in a certain place, I can accommodate that as well.
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| McMark |
Feb 2 2010, 11:03 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Rich, I've looked at relocating the sensor for full flow setups and it's not going to be as easy as I'd hoped. I'm still working on it though.
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| jimkelly |
Feb 5 2010, 06:58 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
for ignition only (using carbs) - what is needed?
i assume ford coil pack and edis module - is a tps needed as yarin uses? http://www.flickr.com/photos/infinitelydig...57594124768996/ http://www.boostengineering.net/PhotoGalle...DISMJLJKITblack jim |
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| Mark Henry |
Feb 5 2010, 11:22 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(arvcube @ Dec 17 2009, 12:09 AM) dont their systems currently work on magnetic triggers? requiring proper positioning of magnets on crank pulley or what not? Yes SDS uses magnets, Hall effect same as a Compufire, Ignitor, etc. doesn't work on missing tooth VR type Their magnet setup is easy to install on most engines, type 4 being one of the hardest to mod because of the fan assembly. They only offer a 24 tooth on one of the V8 systems. |
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| McMark |
Feb 5 2010, 02:33 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE The Ford EDIS ignition module is designed to work with a 36 tooth wheel, with 1 missing tooth to act as a synchronization reference for engine Top Dead Center. Which means my sensor works great for this. Relying on Jake's experience with the Mechanical Advance ONLY Mallorys, I would say that you probably won't need any load sensing. Just approximate the Mallory curve into the MegaJ software and it should act like you've got a Mallory installed. If you want to use load sensing, I would opt for vacuum based sensing. The TPS is more work to install and is a rather indirect way to approximate load. |
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| jimkelly |
Feb 6 2010, 01:46 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
for megasquirt II per - http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/EDIS.htm
"The VR sensor and 36-1 crank trigger wheel must be set in the correct relationship to each other. With the engine at TDC for cylinder #1, this relationship is: EDIS-4: missing tooth is exactly nine teeth (90°) ahead of the VR sensor." http://www.autosportlabs.net/MJLJ_V4_vehic...tallation_guide http://www.autosportlabs.net/Ford_EDIS_technical_information another reference link - http://www.dainst.com/info/edis/edis.html jim 27june2011 - just found these connectors?? http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productde...spx?SKU=5120217 http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productde...spx?SKU=5120788 http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__Pr...pen_barrel.html or these from summit racing http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RFW-BM8/?rtype=10 bm8 or bm100 fm8 or fm100 |
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