 Freakin' taildraggers..., are a MAJOR PAIN to work on! |
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| Dave_Darling |
 Mar 20 2010, 11:48 PM
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914 Idiot  Group: Members Posts: 15,066 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California 
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Now, I know I work slowly. Just one of those things that makes me "special", I suppose. But I can whip out a clutch job on a 914 in an afternoon--I did just that a little while ago on my blue car!
I'm in the middle of replacing the clutch on Lisa's SC. Not only do the parts cost double what the 914 parts do, but you have to pull the whole freaking drivetrain to get access to the clutch! And there's a fair bit more stuff to deal with in the way than on the 914... That funky- munky- motion setup they have for the 915 clutch is really bizarro! It's been frustration after frustration on this job, let me tell you. Once I had gotten everything (and there's a lot of it!) unbolted and the engine and trans were on the ground (more or less), I found I needed more clearance so I jacked up the body some more. And as I'm trying to get them bolted back up again, I find my floor jack doesn't go high enough with the body up where it needs to be to get the motor under it. So now I've got to get everything supported again, get the jack(s) back out from under the car, and lower the car down to where it was before. Sadly, much of the frustration is due to my own lack of experience with this job, so it's self-inflicted. Grr. But it is really irksome to realize that I've spent five or six times as long on this as on a 914 clutch, and I've still got a ways to go. Just had to vent about this one. --DD |
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| zymurgist |
Mar 21 2010, 05:38 AM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
I feel your pain Dave. I really need to do a full engine drop so I can relieve the tunnel to get the 915 transmission to fit properly. When I replaced my shift tube, though, I only dropped it enough to slide the old one out and the new one in, mostly for the reasons you stated.
I'd sell mine if the economy were a little better. |
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| 914Sixer |
Mar 21 2010, 05:35 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,040 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Yep, a real pain in the ass.
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| plas76targa |
Mar 21 2010, 06:31 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 885 Joined: 22-February 04 From: Frederick, MD Member No.: 1,700 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Yep. Actually btdt. Had the car up in the air. Lowered the engine/tranny and couldn't put the whole mess out from under the car. Removed the bumper and valance to just fit. was a long time ago on my 76 targa. I feel your pain.
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| Joe Bob |
Mar 21 2010, 06:37 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
You need to extend your pinky finger more....
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| scotty b |
Mar 21 2010, 06:39 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Do a 944 clutch some time....better yet do a 944 TURBO clutch some time. Make sure it is an early turbo too. You'll LOVE 911 clutches after that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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| Dave_Darling |
Mar 21 2010, 07:16 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,066 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Scotty, I ain't dumb enough to volunteer to replace a 951 clutch. No way no how. I already know about that one... (Not first hand, thankfully!)
--DD |
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| iamchappy |
Mar 21 2010, 07:30 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
QUOTE(scotty b @ Mar 21 2010, 07:39 PM)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Do a 944 clutch some time....better yet do a 944 TURBO clutch some time. Make sure it is an early turbo too. You'll LOVE 911 clutches after that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I couldn't agree more, and i only had to replace the starter ring on the 924S auto transmission, which required that you remove everything on the car to get to it.. No kidding EVERYTHING.(just about) |
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| brp986s |
Mar 21 2010, 08:16 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 434 Joined: 27-September 07 From: los angeles Member No.: 8,167 |
Yep. Master cyl with vac assist is a barrel of laffs, too. I have the balancing pedal/omega springs contraption on my 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif)
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| Ferg |
Mar 21 2010, 08:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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working on a 911, so easy a 4 year old can do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Mar 21 2010, 08:29 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
You replaced the thermostat o-ring and the oil pressure switch while you were in there, right? And the calcified breather hose? If not, you're gonna be glad you had the practice this time ................................... Might make that job go a little easier. BTW, old time Harley mechanics know how to adjust that clutch, 'cause it's the same as theirs. Follow the book, use the feeler gauges, and set it right. The Cap'n
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| jasons |
Mar 21 2010, 09:56 PM
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Jackstand Extraordinaire Group: Members Posts: 2,011 Joined: 19-August 04 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 2,573 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(scotty b @ Mar 21 2010, 05:39 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Do a 944 clutch some time....better yet do a 944 TURBO clutch some time. Make sure it is an early turbo too. You'll LOVE 911 clutches after that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Exactly what I was thinking. I wonder how many 944's are in the junkyard because of the labor expense for a stupid clutch. |
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| Rand |
Mar 21 2010, 10:01 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
I love it when Dave vents.
Please, bro, come to wcr2010. |
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| SLITS |
Mar 21 2010, 10:05 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
Assdraggers are only good for conversion parts! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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| Porcharu |
Mar 21 2010, 10:24 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,314 Joined: 27-January 05 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 3,518 Region Association: Northern California |
My buddy's car has been down for at least 5 years now because of what a PITA the clutch replacement has been. It's so bad he wont even ask for help. This job is up there with a Volvo 240 heater core replacement - a LOT of 240's are in the junkyard for a blown heater core - it's a 2-3 day job and would cost more than most of those great cars are worth.
Steve (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(scotty b @ Mar 21 2010, 04:39 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Do a 944 clutch some time....better yet do a 944 TURBO clutch some time. Make sure it is an early turbo too. You'll LOVE 911 clutches after that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) [/quote] |
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| jcd914 |
Mar 21 2010, 11:39 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,081 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(scotty b @ Mar 21 2010, 05:39 PM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Do a 944 clutch some time....better yet do a 944 TURBO clutch some time. Make sure it is an early turbo too. You'll LOVE 911 clutches after that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I'll take 2) 911 clutch jobs over any 924/944/951/968 clutch any day. I traded labor to do a clutch on a 944 Turbo and an Audi 90 Quattro for the labor to re roof my house. I spent 2 full days they spent 4 days, 1 of me, 3 of them. Of course I had full shop, lift and tools at my disposal, I did not work there anymore but they let me do projects. Jim |
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| Dave_Darling |
Mar 22 2010, 12:33 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,066 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Ugh. Is there some SOOPER SEKRIT trick to getting the trans mounting bolts started? Those buggers just will not go! I'm using a light to make sure I have the hole through the mount lined up with the threaded hole in the chassis, and I still can't get the stinking bolt to start!
More of the same frustration tomorrow.... Is this supposed to be fun? I forget. --DD |
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| jcd914 |
Mar 22 2010, 03:22 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,081 Joined: 7-February 08 From: Sacramento, CA Member No.: 8,684 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Mar 21 2010, 11:33 PM) Ugh. Is there some SOOPER SEKRIT trick to getting the trans mounting bolts started? Those buggers just will not go! I'm using a light to make sure I have the hole through the mount lined up with the threaded hole in the chassis, and I still can't get the stinking bolt to start! More of the same frustration tomorrow.... Is this supposed to be fun? I forget. --DD Long (mine is about 15 inches) tapered bar shoved thru the mount into the threaded hole on 1 side and used to move the trans & mount around until you feel the bolt on the other side push into the threads. Then turn the bolt and maybe wiggle the bar some to take the tension off the threads. It does not take much misalignment to keep the bolts from starting. Is the engine all the way up in the ass end? An angle on the engine and trans will make it hard to start the bolts. Good Luck Jim |
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| Root_Werks |
Mar 22 2010, 08:54 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,517 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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[quote name='jasons' date='Mar 21 2010, 08:56 PM' post='1289978']
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(scotty b @ Mar 21 2010, 05:39 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) Do a 944 clutch some time....better yet do a 944 TURBO clutch some time. Make sure it is an early turbo too. You'll LOVE 911 clutches after that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) [/quote] Exactly what I was thinking. I wonder how many 944's are in the junkyard because of the labor expense for a stupid clutch. [/quote] There never seem to be any less than 5 944's in a local Bone-Yard up here that really do look like they should be in car lots. They look that nice. They all have "Bad Engine" shoe polished on the windshields. Just not worth fixing. DD - Done a handful of 915-tranny 911 clutches. Yes PITA, gotta line up the little clutch forks just right, not forget to remove the shifter rod (oops!). I'd replace 4 914 clutches before ever doing another 911 clutch again. |
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| davep |
Mar 22 2010, 08:57 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,225 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
I think the "book time" for a 951 clutch job was the fastest time out of 100 attempts by an assembly line mechanic.
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