Stranded by a wheel lock - can anyone identify these?, Got Them Off!!! Thanks Cap'n!! |
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Stranded by a wheel lock - can anyone identify these?, Got Them Off!!! Thanks Cap'n!! |
Scott S |
Mar 24 2013, 06:34 PM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,698 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
Hi All -
I came out to find a flat this afternoon. No worries, grabbed a floor jack and planned to take it in for repair. I pulled all of the lugs and the wheel would not budge - I thought it was frozen to the rotor hub. Spun the wheel around and found this lock very well hidden under what looked like a stock lug! I found that there is another on the other front wheel as well. I bought the car in December and I have no key - and per the pics, they both look to have different index pins. Can someone tell me what brand these are? I am dead in the water until I can find a key (keys?). Usually I would just bang a socket on a lock, but there is no way to do that with these. I am really bummed. Any help is GREATLY appreciated!!!!! Scott S Attached image(s) |
JawjaPorsche |
Mar 24 2013, 06:40 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,463 Joined: 23-July 11 From: Clayton, Georgia Member No.: 13,351 Region Association: South East States |
Is there anyway you can fix the flat with a Fix A Flat can, then drive your teener to a tire store because I am sure they can help you get it off without damaging your wheel.
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bandjoey |
Mar 24 2013, 06:46 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,930 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
wheel stores have some keys but most cut it off or drive on a socket and charge up to $100 per wheel. With this one recessed in the wheel???????? wow.
Try a big pbblaster soak front and rear and get the biggest pin spanner you can find and see if it fits. Call the previous owner?? Good Luck |
Dr Evil |
Mar 24 2013, 06:56 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 23,032 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Weld something onto it that you can grip, like a nut, etc.
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sixnotfour |
Mar 24 2013, 07:00 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,525 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Over torque all the other nuts, then hit it with a chisel,, overtorue the others in theory releases some tension on the lock..also hit hit straight on with flat nose puch will also release some torque tension..Do It
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MrKona |
Mar 24 2013, 07:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 597 Joined: 25-July 05 From: Santa Rosa, CA Member No.: 4,469 Region Association: None |
I wonder how tight it is... maybe a pin spanner?
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Dave_Darling |
Mar 24 2013, 07:03 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,048 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
A big pair of snap-ring pliers? Or needle-nose pliers to fit the holes?
--DD |
scotty b |
Mar 24 2013, 07:12 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
If you use the Fix A Flat, remove the tire and clean all that crap out ASAP. It is not meant for long term use. It WILL eat at the wheel
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914itis |
Mar 24 2013, 07:13 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Check under spare tire, glove box, under the seats , and door pocket. It's gotta be somewhere hidden in the car.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Mar 24 2013, 07:18 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Those are of a type seen in the P-car biz in the 70s and 80s. They use a 2 part key with hardened steel pins. The 2 part key was an attempt to fix the weaknesses on the earlier one part key. Wasn't all that much better ........ They are notoriously failure prone. You're gonna have to use a hole saw to remove it. Get one that just fits over the stud and VERY CAREFULLY cut through the lock. If you're lucky, you won't scar the wheel. Take your time. Once the bulk of the lock is cut away, the remaining sleeve should come out relatively easily. Pin wrenches, pliers, and punches are NOT in the picture, so don't waste your time. I've probably come across this 5 or 6 times, and buggering up the lock isn't gonna make the job any easier; on the contrary, it will probably make removal more difficult.
Good luck! The Cap'n |
sixnotfour |
Mar 24 2013, 07:24 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,525 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
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bulitt |
Mar 24 2013, 07:33 PM
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Achtzylinder Group: Members Posts: 4,188 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States |
Pointed Drift and a BFH and hit it counter clockwise.
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bdstone914 |
Mar 24 2013, 08:44 PM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,673 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
I think I have a new set of those in the bag. Ill have to find them but I remember them being that weird 2 part design. I should beable to find them.
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carr914 |
Mar 24 2013, 08:52 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Looks like I have the Key you need, but I'm a long way away - let me know if you want me to send it to you
T.C. |
Cairo94507 |
Mar 24 2013, 09:02 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 10,022 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
T.C.- Nice find. I hope he gets those off w/o damaging his wheels. I hate wheel locks ad alarms.
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Scott S |
Mar 24 2013, 10:12 PM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,698 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
TC! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)
You have PM!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) |
brant |
Mar 24 2013, 10:15 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,739 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
crap I used to have a set of those on an 83 SC
I don't have the key anylonger sorry. cold chisel maybe or take the time to borrow a key like you are doing. |
infraredcalvin |
Mar 24 2013, 10:20 PM
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Distracted Member Group: Members Posts: 1,552 Joined: 25-August 08 From: Ladera Ranch, CA Member No.: 9,463 Region Association: Southern California |
Actually TC, it looks like yours is a little tighter in the 3 pin arrangement than what the OP shows. I have what looks like the same one as yours, although I'm missing one bottom pin. When I bought my 930 i found 4 lug nuts and the key in the glovebox, took off the wheel locks that moment. I never liked the idea of the locks for this very reason.
I would try posting on the bird 911 site, somebody has to have the same pattern you have. |
carr914 |
Mar 24 2013, 10:46 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
TC! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) You have PM!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif) Actually TC, it looks like yours is a little tighter in the 3 pin arrangement than what the OP shows. I have what looks like the same one as yours, although I'm missing one bottom pin. When I bought my 930 i found 4 lug nuts and the key in the glovebox, took off the wheel locks that moment. I never liked the idea of the locks for this very reason. I would try posting on the bird 911 site, somebody has to have the same pattern you have. Scott, I answered your PM, but I see what Calvin is saying. So I'm not sure my Key will work. T.C. |
carr914 |
Mar 24 2013, 10:51 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 121,083 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Actually TC, it looks like yours is a little tighter in the 3 pin arrangement than what the OP shows. I have what looks like the same one as yours, although I'm missing one bottom pin. When I bought my 930 i found 4 lug nuts and the key in the glovebox, took off the wheel locks that moment. I never liked the idea of the locks for this very reason. I would try posting on the bird 911 site, somebody has to have the same pattern you have. Yeah, there might be a bunch of combinations of the Pins as on mine on the 3 Pin set, mine has one that is offset a little & on the 2 Pin mine look closer together. I have n idea who made these, this Key has been sitting in my Toolbox for many years. I know I never used it |
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