 Disconnected battery cable and reconnected, now starter wont engage |
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| ericoneal |
 Apr 16 2013, 06:44 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Crestwood, KY Member No.: 14,795 Region Association: South East States  |
I disconected the positive (and neg) cables. Reconnected, and now the car wont start. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) The dash lights and fuel pump come on, headlights are bright, battery is fully charged, but no click or anything. I checked all of the fuses under the steering wheel and 3 of them on the firewall by the battery and all are good.
Are there other fuses that I am missing? SHe has always fired up, really frustrated.... |
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| JStroud |
Apr 16 2013, 06:51 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,463 Joined: 15-January 11 From: Galt, California Member No.: 12,594 Region Association: Northern California |
My starter used to do the same thing,(have a different starter now)every time I would disconnect the battery starter wouldn't work, I would smack it with a big wrench, then it would start right up....until I disconnected the battery again. Never found out why, just put in a different starter when I put in the new motor... All good.
Try tapping on it, then turn the key (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Hope this helps Jeff |
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| 914itis |
Apr 16 2013, 07:03 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
Are you sure you connected back the ground wire to the transmission and the positive going to the starter back?
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| ericoneal |
Apr 16 2013, 07:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Crestwood, KY Member No.: 14,795 Region Association: South East States |
I havent touched the transmission at all. All I did was disconnect and reconnect the battery. Going to go out and hit with a wrench now.. QUOTE(914itis @ Apr 16 2013, 09:03 PM)  Are you sure you connected back the ground wire to the transmission and the positive going to the starter back? |
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| ericoneal |
Apr 16 2013, 07:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Crestwood, KY Member No.: 14,795 Region Association: South East States |
That did nothing. Its got to be something with the battery. Is it possible to blow a fuse by fewling with the battery cables?
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| struckn |
Apr 16 2013, 07:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,069 Joined: 9-November 11 From: South Central York Pennsyvania Member No.: 13,764 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| ThePaintedMan |
Apr 16 2013, 07:13 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,886 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States 
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QUOTE(ericoneal @ Apr 16 2013, 09:09 PM) That did nothing. Its got to be something with the battery. Is it possible to blow a fuse by fewling with the battery cables? Possible that the ignition switch is broken. Been there, done that, and yes, it can happen just like that. Could be just coincidence yours broke before you unhooked the starter. Have you ever replaced yours? Chances are someone will come along with a better idea though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| 914itis |
Apr 16 2013, 07:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(ericoneal @ Apr 16 2013, 09:07 PM) I havent touched the transmission at all. All I did was disconnect and reconnect the battery. Going to go out and hit with a wrench now.. QUOTE(914itis @ Apr 16 2013, 09:03 PM) Are you sure you connected back the ground wire to the transmission and the positive going to the starter back? The ground wire and that positive starter wire are usually bolted on the terminal and sometimes comes apart as you disconnect the battery. |
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| ericoneal |
Apr 16 2013, 07:38 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Crestwood, KY Member No.: 14,795 Region Association: South East States |
The ground wires near the battery seem tight. Should the solenoid be getting juice with the car on, or only when starting?
QUOTE(914itis @ Apr 16 2013, 09:17 PM) QUOTE(ericoneal @ Apr 16 2013, 09:07 PM) I havent touched the transmission at all. All I did was disconnect and reconnect the battery. Going to go out and hit with a wrench now.. QUOTE(914itis @ Apr 16 2013, 09:03 PM) Are you sure you connected back the ground wire to the transmission and the positive going to the starter back? The ground wire and that positive starter wire are usually bolted on the terminal and sometimes comes apart as you disconnect the battery. |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Apr 16 2013, 07:41 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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Reach in and tap the solenoid (lightly).
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| JStroud |
Apr 16 2013, 08:02 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,463 Joined: 15-January 11 From: Galt, California Member No.: 12,594 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Apr 16 2013, 06:41 PM) Reach in and tap the solenoid (lightly). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) try hitting it again, maybe have someone turn the key while you hit the starter. I'd try this before tearing into ignition switches and other stuff. Jeff |
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| Mike Bellis |
Apr 16 2013, 08:52 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,346 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None
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Did you clean the battery cables and battery terminals?
Both can and do get glazed over with time. It is possible you have a bad connection even if it is tight. Use a wire brush or sand paper on all connections and try again. |
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| Rand |
Apr 16 2013, 09:06 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Apr 16 2013, 07:52 PM) Did you clean the battery cables and battery terminals? Both can and do get glazed over with time. It is possible you have a bad connection even if it is tight. Use a wire brush or sand paper on all connections and try again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) That's what I was going to suggest. Clean both the posts and the insides of the connector clamps. I prefer using one of those little brush/scraper tools that's made for it. A majority of the time when you have some electrical working but it won't crank, and especially if you hear a starter solenoid click, a dirty battery connection is the culprit. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.americantechnology.co.uk-3573-1366167978.1.jpg) |
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| Jeff Hail |
Apr 16 2013, 09:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,141 Joined: 3-May 07 From: LA/ CA Member No.: 7,712 |
Its the gremlinector.
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| ericoneal |
Apr 17 2013, 06:55 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Crestwood, KY Member No.: 14,795 Region Association: South East States |
The starter is not clicking, the lights on the dash are on, but when i turn the key, they all go out and nothing happens. I'm sure there has to be something disconnected somewhere.... I'm also going to put in the battery from my daily driver and try as well..
Really need to get this thing started, we are moving in a couple of weeks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) QUOTE(Rand @ Apr 16 2013, 11:06 PM) QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Apr 16 2013, 07:52 PM) Did you clean the battery cables and battery terminals? Both can and do get glazed over with time. It is possible you have a bad connection even if it is tight. Use a wire brush or sand paper on all connections and try again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) That's what I was going to suggest. Clean both the posts and the insides of the connector clamps. I prefer using one of those little brush/scraper tools that's made for it. A majority of the time when you have some electrical working but it won't crank, and especially if you hear a starter solenoid click, a dirty battery connection is the culprit. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.americantechnology.co.uk-3573-1366167978.1.jpg) |
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| Cupomeat |
Apr 17 2013, 07:07 AM
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missing my NY 914 in VA Group: Members Posts: 1,338 Joined: 26-November 07 From: Oakton VA Member No.: 8,376 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Turn the headlights on, then try to start the car. If they also go out, you are dealing with either:
1. Dirty connections (Which the cleaning would fix) or 2. Dead battery (could need charging or replacement). You saying the lights go out is a telltale sign that the voltage drops significantly when you try to start it. Do the cleaning and try again. I hope this helps. |
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Apr 17 2013, 07:16 AM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,325 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
QUOTE(Cupomeat @ Apr 17 2013, 08:07 AM) Turn the headlights on, then try to start the car. If they also go out, you are dealing with either: 1. Dirty connections (Which the cleaning would fix) or 2. Dead battery (could need charging or replacement). You saying the lights go out is a telltale sign that the voltage drops significantly when you try to start it. Do the cleaning and try again. I hope this helps. This was my first thought as well. My second thought was, All the accessories and lights, always go out when turning the key to the start position. I think its built that way. Easy to check voltage on battery. |
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Apr 17 2013, 07:20 AM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,325 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Have you tried to jump the solenoid?
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| ericoneal |
Apr 17 2013, 05:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 320 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Crestwood, KY Member No.: 14,795 Region Association: South East States |
OK. Just checked again. Put the battery from my Toyota in it, and nothing. Red and Green dash lights come on, fuel pump comes on, when I turn the key, red and green lights stay on, nothing happens. No click from the starter..
Should the small red wire in this picture: starter be hot when the key is on? It is not, but the large on is. |
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| ThePaintedMan |
Apr 17 2013, 05:55 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,886 Joined: 6-September 11 From: St. Petersburg, FL Member No.: 13,527 Region Association: South East States
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Hard to tell from just a picture, but it sure looks like the small red one should be hot with ignition on, like you said. The large red is constant 12V.
If that doesn't get you going in the right direction, you could go back to my hypothesis that the ignition switch itself is bad. Try turning the key over to the other side and then inserting it. Also try jiggling the key when you have it turned to "start." |
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