E-85 fuel released in louisville, 85% Corn Ethanol fuel |
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E-85 fuel released in louisville, 85% Corn Ethanol fuel |
bd1308 |
Aug 18 2005, 09:00 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
saw this on the local news today....
question is...how flexible is our engines and carbs for alternative fuels? i was thinking not flexible at all, but i was just asking... |
lapuwali |
Aug 18 2005, 09:07 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
Carbs can be adjusted easily enough. The main question is how the rubber seals will react to the ethanol, and if it will cause any increase in corrosion with the particular alloys used in the engine.
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bd1308 |
Aug 18 2005, 09:12 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
so basically its a trial and error thing??
I could be a guinea pig.... its only 2.09 vs. like 2.4x i think it's good because for one the money is going back to the US. |
DonTraver |
Aug 18 2005, 09:44 PM
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I wonder about milage, if I remember right, Ethanaol has a lower btu value, so that means less power. Also remember reading somewhere that ethanaol will break any crap that's in your fuel system lose, so stock up on fuel filters. Or maybe invest in fuel filter stock, lol.
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Joe Bob |
Aug 18 2005, 09:54 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Eats up the exhaust.....unless it's completely stainless steel.
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bd1308 |
Aug 18 2005, 10:16 PM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
so just stainless exhaust...that's it
what about stainless exhaust valves? i'm curious... right now, my whole exhaust is like rusted....tried sanding down and hitting it with ceramic paint, just burned off... |
TravisNeff |
Aug 18 2005, 10:48 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,082 Joined: 20-March 03 From: Mesa, AZ Member No.: 447 Region Association: Southwest Region |
watch out for the corn kernels in your fuel filter
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jonwatts |
Aug 18 2005, 11:22 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141 |
Plus it has a nasty aftertaste...
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redshift |
Aug 19 2005, 12:53 AM
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(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) You already are a guinea pig. You commit blatant acts of science fiction, most days. M |
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bd1308 |
Aug 19 2005, 06:40 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
drinking it is not a good idea.... miles drank it and look at him now.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) |
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swl |
Aug 19 2005, 06:55 AM
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I saw an article in one of the auto rags I read that suggested the opposite. The ethanol burns more completely. The article also said that it had sort of a catalyst effect on the petro fuel part making it burn more completely as well. Maybe the efficiency of the burn makes up for the lower BTU? In any case it is locally produced and renewable - gotta love it. If it is available find a way to make it work. |
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bd1308 |
Aug 19 2005, 06:59 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
it's a bit far--but i'd make the trip to try it out
i think i'm going to do like 1/2 1/2 and see what happens i figure if the exhust goes...i get a new one.. if that happens, i'll go with a muffler... like a mittlemotor one. |
Joe Bob |
Aug 19 2005, 07:00 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
The use it in Brazil....out of sugar cane and beets. The entrained water rusts the exhaust.
Yes, it's a "renewable" resource but it's more expensive than oil and is subsidized by the government. |
jd74914 |
Aug 19 2005, 07:02 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,782 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
IIRC - Saab just released a car that runs on both gas and ethanol. Because of its programming and (I hope this is correct) ethanols ability to compress more than non-race octane gas, this car produces more power with the ethanol. It made since to me when you think about all of the alcohol drag cars out there. Ethanol is basically gas with an alcohol component. But, in Saab's case the car was turboed and a normal engine might not be able to pump enough air in to utilize the amount of ethanol (air is usually the limiting reactant in any combustion sequence). I have no idea about gas mileage, I was more interested in the Saabs 180hp with ethanol, and like 150 without.
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jd74914 |
Aug 19 2005, 07:06 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,782 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Ok. I was right. Typically ethanol fuel is of a higher octane so it resists pre detination better than conventional gas. Because of this the compression of a car running on ethanol can be increased, or the boost can be cranked up (as Saab did)
Here's part of an article explaning that. Saab's New 9.5 |
bd1308 |
Aug 19 2005, 07:12 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
i dunno about brazil but here the ethanol is 2.10/gal and 87 is 2.53/gal |
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jd74914 |
Aug 19 2005, 07:16 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,782 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
IT IS GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED EVERYWHERE. Including here (mostly up north), europe and south america.
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bd1308 |
Aug 19 2005, 07:28 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
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if oil is cheaper, then why would the price be lower? but on the inverse, it's supply/demand... its gonna get lower.... |
balljoint |
Aug 19 2005, 07:31 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
Dood, you're in KY...it's just bourbon that didn't pass the taste test. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)
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bd1308 |
Aug 19 2005, 07:35 AM
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Sir Post-a-lot Group: Members Posts: 8,020 Joined: 24-January 05 From: Louisville,KY Member No.: 3,501 |
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