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Engine number missing on my 75 914 2.0 |
Junioren |
Jan 9 2024, 05:52 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-January 24 From: Luxembourg Member No.: 27,840 Region Association: None |
Good morning to all of you readers.
I recently imported a 75 2.0 914. VIN and chassis numbers have been located and seem in order, however I am unable to find the engine number in its usual spot. What could be explanations for having an engine without an engine number? When engines were replaced by VW/Porsche, would these new engines possibly have no number on them? Thanks, Raf (from Luxembourg/Europe) |
bdstone914 |
Jan 9 2024, 06:22 AM
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bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,744 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
Good morning to all of you readers. I recently imported a 75 2.0 914. VIN and chassis numbers have been located and seem in order, however I am unable to find the engine number in its usual spot. What could be explanations for having an engine without an engine number? When engines were replaced by VW/Porsche, would these new engines possibly have no number on them? Thanks, Raf (from Luxembourg/Europe) I have heard that repkacement cases had no serial number. |
Shivers |
Jan 9 2024, 07:37 AM
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Junioren |
Jan 9 2024, 07:59 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-January 24 From: Luxembourg Member No.: 27,840 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the info, much appreciated. So in such case it is most likely to be an original engine, however one that replaces the initial from the factory?
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jhynesrockmtn |
Jan 9 2024, 08:47 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 426 Joined: 13-June 16 From: spokane wa Member No.: 20,100 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Thanks for the info, much appreciated. So in such case it is most likely to be an original engine, however one that replaces the initial from the factory? It would be really hard to tell without more history on the car. It could very well be "original" in that it was replaced by Porsche within the cars warranty period, or someone changed it out along the way. I'd be more concerned with making sure it is a proper 2.0 and wasn't replaced along the way with a 1.7 or 1.8 by a prior owner. Others with more expertise can help on that front. Welcome and good luck with your new car! |
Superhawk996 |
Jan 9 2024, 08:57 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,670 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Did you check up at front of engine by the oil fill tower?
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davep |
Jan 9 2024, 09:27 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,227 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
There are three locations for the engine serial #. The early version for the 1.7 & 1.8 is on that angled boss near the flywheel end of the case. The 2.0 engines have it up front of the oil fill tower. The 912E 2.0 had it on the fan shroud instead so if that was changed it may appear to be missing entirely. A factory replacement engine or a remanufactured engine from dealer network (engines were remanufactured by VW Canada in Toronto) would all have serial numbers but generally marked AT. A rebuilt engine on a new case would have no serial #. The original serial # can be determined, so if needed, then contact me by email.
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dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Jan 9 2024, 09:58 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,124 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
did you look down in the canyon between the oil filler and the front impeller housing?
Good morning to all of you readers. I recently imported a 75 2.0 914. VIN and chassis numbers have been located and seem in order, however I am unable to find the engine number in its usual spot. What could be explanations for having an engine without an engine number? When engines were replaced by VW/Porsche, would these new engines possibly have no number on them? Thanks, Raf (from Luxembourg/Europe) |
Junioren |
Jan 9 2024, 03:32 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-January 24 From: Luxembourg Member No.: 27,840 Region Association: None |
A sticker on the engine provides the engine family identification as "17". Does anyone have any idea whether this would be a CA or a USA-49 engine edition?
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Junioren |
Jan 9 2024, 03:37 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-January 24 From: Luxembourg Member No.: 27,840 Region Association: None |
That is indeed where I checked and was expecting it, but no.
did you look down in the canyon between the oil filler and the front impeller housing? Good morning to all of you readers. I recently imported a 75 2.0 914. VIN and chassis numbers have been located and seem in order, however I am unable to find the engine number in its usual spot. What could be explanations for having an engine without an engine number? When engines were replaced by VW/Porsche, would these new engines possibly have no number on them? Thanks, Raf (from Luxembourg/Europe) Attached image(s) |
Junioren |
Jan 9 2024, 04:04 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-January 24 From: Luxembourg Member No.: 27,840 Region Association: None |
Hello guys,
I just dump the information I have but the mystery gets bigger for me: Engine family: 17 (I thought this was only for 1976 2.0 engines) - displacement 120 CID so I believe it is a 2.0 l Engine number (embossed in the space where the earlier engines had their number): EA013495 (so outside the known number range for the 1.7 engines) Any plausible thoughts on what could have happened Attached thumbnail(s) |
fiacra |
Jan 9 2024, 06:48 PM
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Person.Woman.Man.Camera.TV Group: Members Posts: 490 Joined: 1-March 19 From: East Bay Region - California Member No.: 22,920 Region Association: Northern California |
I thought all EA code engines were 1.7? Can you post pictures of the top of the engine? The number of studs on the intake as well as the position of the spark plugs is different on the 2.0 heads. Could also be your engine is a "hybrid" of parts. A 1.7 case can be used to build a 2.0 engine. Curious to see what the final answer is....
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wonkipop |
Jan 9 2024, 07:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,671 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Hello guys, I just dump the information I have but the mystery gets bigger for me: Engine family: 17 (I thought this was only for 1976 2.0 engines) - displacement 120 CID so I believe it is a 2.0 l Engine number (embossed in the space where the earlier engines had their number): EA013495 (so outside the known number range for the 1.7 engines) Any plausible thoughts on what could have happened the engine number is not outside the known engine range for EA engines. the EA 1.7 was also used in USA 411 and 412 models. the engine numbers are not sequential for 914s but are intermixed with 411/412 models. same thing goes for the EB (73 california) 1.7 and later EC (1.8 engines) also shared with the VW 412 (at least for 74). only time the small engine becomes a 914 only engine is the 1.8 of 75. i'd say the original case was destroyed (engine damage or wear) and has been replace with a 1.7 case or perhaps even 1.7 short motor? the fan casting is from the original 2.0 L engine complete with correct emission sticker for a later 2.0? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) PS don't be confused by the extra 0 in the engine numbers in the VW/Porsche parts catalogue listing. the same thing goes for the EC engines. for some reason they have a zero (or is it an O?) after EA/EB/EC in the parts engine number listing. but its not there on the actual stamp number on any engines. |
emerygt350 |
Jan 9 2024, 08:05 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,561 Joined: 20-July 21 From: Upstate, NY Member No.: 25,740 Region Association: North East States |
Show us the heads! A 1.7 block is fine if they put all the 2.0 meat on it.
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JeffBowlsby |
Jan 9 2024, 08:08 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,808 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Missing a couple important details to know what you have and what you should have.
Post photos of the intake manifold to head connection and general engine overall from both sides of the engine bay. Post a photo of the label on the drivers side engine bay above the relay board. |
wonkipop |
Jan 9 2024, 08:10 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,671 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
A sticker on the engine provides the engine family identification as "17". Does anyone have any idea whether this would be a CA or a USA-49 engine edition? engine family 17 is the 75 MY terminology for the GC-a series 2.0 L engine for 49 states of USA. 18 is the GC-b california engine of 75. the internals of the engine were the same USA and california. it was the equipment fitted to the engine that was different. someone like @jeffBowlsby knows all that stuff. 2.0L are above my paygrade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) i do lame engine 1.8s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) another clue as to exactly what bits and pieces you might have. if the tinware is the original 2.0 L tin and it has not been repainted there might be a white paint stencil three digit code number on it. if the tin is from a 75 49 sttates 2.0 L the number 925 will be there. on upper surface of tinware on either right or left hand side up close to where the tin joins the fan casting. usually its hidden from direct view by one or other of the heater blower motor hoses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) PS - the other clue its not a californian 75 2.0 besides being engine family 17 is the emissions sticker notes its "USEPA" conforming. if it was a californian spec engine the sticker would say "USEPA and Cailfornia regulations". or in this case the fan casting is USEPA conforming. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
davep |
Jan 9 2024, 09:26 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,227 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
EA013495 should be an October 1971 engine, but that fan shroud was not on an engine through the 1974 model year. This leads me to believe the engine was pieced together.
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wonkipop |
Jan 10 2024, 01:48 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,671 Joined: 6-May 20 From: north antarctica Member No.: 24,231 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
EA013495 should be an October 1971 engine, but that fan shroud was not on an engine through the 1974 model year. This leads me to believe the engine was pieced together. he has a 75 2.0 @davep not a 74. see first post by OP. i think the fan shroud and sticker is likely off the original car since the emission sticker is for a 75 2.0! and also in the correct spot for a 75. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) but you are right. she has been pieced together. somewhere along the way she has let herself implode. why not. thats what 914s are for. the cars are half a century old now!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) mine is about to turn 50 in two weeks time.' with its original engine. thats never been apart. i'm thinking to myself thats pretty fricken amazing. how did i get to here with the car and both of us stay relatively intact. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) we both must have paced ourselves. a little too conservatively? i conclude i have not lived hard enough! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) |
nditiz1 |
Jan 10 2024, 07:55 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,202 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Mount Airy, Maryland Member No.: 18,763 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
One thought, it could be a 912E case. They never had an engine number from the factory. The Ljet setup was very similar to that of the 914.
I actually have a 914 engine in my 912E, but has the 912E engine shroud. The 912E engine shroud is what held the engine number for the car. EDIT: missed davep already went over this. |
Junioren |
Jan 10 2024, 09:03 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 9-January 24 From: Luxembourg Member No.: 27,840 Region Association: None |
Missing a couple important details to know what you have and what you should have. Post photos of the intake manifold to head connection and general engine overall from both sides of the engine bay. Post a photo of the label on the drivers side engine bay above the relay board. Thanks Jeff for the info. I post some pictures from all sides. Attached thumbnail(s) |
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