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> Is it broken?, Does this BBS need some help?
VegasRacer
post Oct 8 2003, 04:27 PM
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It seems like this web site has been crashing a lot.
(I am not giving you a hard time about it) Really I'm not.
Is there anything we can do as members to help out the 914World.com?
Do you (we) need new hardware? Money? Duct tape or WD40?

What can the grateful members in cyberland do to help?
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post Oct 8 2003, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE(VegasRacer @ Oct 8 2003, 03:27 PM)
Do you (we) need new hardware? Money? Duct tape or WD40?

hmmm, yellow duct tape would make it faster, right?

i already got a second DL 380 which will act as a backup for the current server. i'm also planning on having the BBS run on a dedicated box with a active failover ...

all we need is $$$ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 8 2003, 04:53 PM
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IIS doesnt like PHP. I dont think they ever intended it run on any ANY Windows servers. If I knew Unix and had a Unix box up and running for FREE.. this would run on a Unix box.. but when all the free servers and helpers are Windows guys... the answer for what this was going to run on was pretty simple. I could have easily ran this under a desk with a slow ass DSL line and babysat it 24/7 or gone with a T1 line... but that costs money.


I'm beginning to beleive this is a IIS Windows issues and not a PHP issue. I have nothing to back this up..



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post Oct 8 2003, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Oct 8 2003, 03:53 PM)
I have nothing to back this up..

i know you don't (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

get a little box with linux and slapp php and mysql on it.
i give you a IP and space in the cage.

no problem, i just don't have the time to deal with it right now.
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post Oct 8 2003, 05:01 PM
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I dont have time either...

I dont know Linux..and I really dont care to know it...

Easy solution = Shut it off.


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post Oct 8 2003, 05:37 PM
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I don't have a spare box that I deem to be reliable, but I am happy to do the linux install and get this thing running if you like.

I'd put up some cash towards getting a box too. What are you running this thing on?

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post Oct 8 2003, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(fiid @ Oct 8 2003, 04:37 PM)
What are you running this thing on?

NT 4.0
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post Oct 8 2003, 05:47 PM
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How much megahertz and ram are we talking....? Could we re-install it on the existing hardware? Is it at a hosting provider?? I have a server that is on a dsl line, but the upstream is only 256Kb/sec.

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post Oct 8 2003, 05:54 PM
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We have the bandwith. There is no reason why it couldnt be moved over to any server on any operating system.

The problem I dont want to get into: ONE person knowing how this works. Right now I have 2 and both of us happened to be in the same place at the same time during the last major outage over the weekend. Its currectly causing the entire IIS system to crash and effects his paying clients.



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post Oct 8 2003, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(fiid @ Oct 8 2003, 04:47 PM)
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How much megahertz and ram are we talking....? Could we re-install it on the existing hardware? Is it at a hosting provider?? I have a server that is on a dsl line, but the upstream is only 256Kb/sec.

Fiid.

we've been through this a few times before, so for those of you who missed it ...

the BBS is running off one of my Biz-Servers that hosts about 10 different (eCommerce and others) web-sites. this server runs NT 4.0 and HAS TO stay that way, i am NOT willing to jeopardise my clients web-sites for this BBS.
the windows requirement came from my clients and is NOT my personal choice.
NO, we can not wipe it and re-code all my clients applications for Linux.

i am, however, not opposed to the idea of getting a linux box and add it to
THE CAGE i have at the COLO-Facility. my cage is directly connected to a BIG pipe so bandwidth is not a problem. i also have plenty of free IP-addresses.

my current workload does not permit me to move everything (the BBS) onto a linux box, but everything is already done in PHP and mySQL, so the transfer to a linux system should not create too many headaches, i just don't have the time.

we put the BBS on my box because it was the easiest way to get it up and running at the time and (at least for you guys) it is FREE ...

so stop giving me shit about what OS we're using and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE and get us a linux box and move the bbs over and i will put it in my cage at the colo.


can you tell i had a great day at work?
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post Oct 8 2003, 06:02 PM
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Fair play.

PHP is pretty similar whatever platform it runs on - it's just the OS around the webserver that is way different. If you want to go to linux (or any other unix), let me know if you want any help - I'm happy to do work on the install or to run you through how to administer it.

Another option is you could run apache on windows - perhaps with the php plugin. I've never done it, but it ought to work okay and gets you away from the IIS nastyness. It might be more stable than IIS. It could be run side-by-side and compared if you wanted to beta test it.

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post Oct 8 2003, 06:04 PM
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Dude,

I did not intend to give you shit about the OS. I'm just not a big windows fan. No worries.

Sorry your day at work was not good.

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post Oct 8 2003, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(fiid @ Oct 8 2003, 05:02 PM)
Another option is you could run apache on windows - perhaps with the php plugin.  I've never done it, but it ought to work okay and gets you away from the IIS nastyness.  It might be more stable than IIS.  It could be run side-by-side and compared if you wanted to beta test it.

i'd like to get it off the box.
IIS is running stable otherwise, it's always the PHP that crashes IIS (and nothing else besides the BBS is using the PHP or mySql) ...

there's already way too much crap on that box, installing apache parallell to IIS is not going to make it any better.

right now, we run on a 4 x 500 MHZ with 1GB of RAM, but obviously that would be overkill if we separate the BBS.

it would run fine on a older box (< 1GHz) with some ram, 256MB should work just fine.
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post Oct 8 2003, 06:13 PM
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Its lovely to go out of town and come back to a rash of SHIT.

I have a box we can use. I'll buy a HD for it this week and install W2K on it with IIS.

I currently have one that is 90% installed and is running my email and NOTHING else.

Andy.. get me cage access for Tuesday of next week.



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post Oct 8 2003, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Oct 8 2003, 05:13 PM)
Andy.. get me cage access for Tuesday of next week.

will do ...
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post Oct 8 2003, 06:19 PM
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Apache on Windows is better than IIS on Windows. But, I would only use it if I absolutely HAD to.

Not to appear an OS bigot, but moving to a LINUX box running PHP and MySQL to support the BBS would probably be a smart move. Brad doesn't want to learn a new system, but with the right hand-holding, he may even like it.

It should be on its own box. It's not right that we are jeopardizing Andy's business and customers with our hobby.

Fiid is nearby and has offered his expertise. All I can do is offer remote help and opinions (got lots o those).

Do we need to raise money for a box?
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I apologise. Shouldn't have said anything. Didn't mean to piss anyone off.
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post Oct 8 2003, 06:21 PM
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I was just waiting for some to mention linux! LOL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 8 2003, 06:24 PM
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No money needed for a new box.

I have a new (to us) box with almost everything already installed. Let me get it up and running in the cage and see how it responds. I'm sure I could figure out Linux.



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post Oct 8 2003, 06:30 PM
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