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| rfuerst911sc |
 Oct 27 2009, 05:31 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States  |
As I'm nearing the point of turning the key after 3 years of work I thought I would share what I did for a front oil cooler. First off it's a 75 chassis that has a 911 3.0 installed. Living in Florida I knew a oil cooler was a must. After looking at what was done in the past by others I decided to go a different route. My criteria was I wanted to be able to use the front trunk as a trunk. This will be a street,AX and DE machine. So based on that I went about laying this out in my head. Once I had a basic plan I started buying parts. First off was a MB oil cooler from a diesel. It's made by Behr and well built. I then came up with my mount which basically is two 1/4-20 by 6 inch long bolts welded to the tub facing forward. The cooler has two hoops that slide over the bolts. I made some stand offs to keep the cooler spaced away from the tub for good air flow. I used -12AN hose to go from the cooler to the rear mounted Mocal thermostat. I wanted to keep the length of the hoses to a minimum so I ran them straight back. Under the tub just off center are two channels in the tub. I glued tie down plates to the tub and zip tied the lines tight to the floor. In the rear is the normal routing to engine,thermostat and oil tank. Yes I know my setup is more vunerable to a front end crash or doing something stupid but 911's have had front mounted coolers for a long time mounted up front and low so it can be done. I will be making some stand off blocks in the trunk just high enough to have a front mounted full size spare and then the carpeted cover. Will barely be noticeable to the common eye. I know this isn't for everyone but I'd thought I'd share now that I have everything installed. I am now fabricating a stock valance to have a cutout/snout around the cooler similiar to a early 911 RS valance. Hopefully the pics will show it off. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| SLITS |
Oct 27 2009, 05:37 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
Not bad ... you did what I was going to do, except I was going to run copper or aluminum tube underneath the car for additional cooling.
Nice job --- it'll work. |
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| Dr. Roger |
Oct 27 2009, 05:42 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
what kind of debris protection is going over it?
oh, and nice location/install. =-) |
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| rfuerst911sc |
Oct 27 2009, 06:11 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Dr. Roger @ Oct 27 2009, 03:42 PM)  what kind of debris protection is going over it? oh, and nice location/install. =-) If you are familiar with 911 RS's of the 70's they had a valance/spoiler that basically " boxed " the cooler and had a mesh screen. That is what I am attempting to reproduce. I might even consider fabricating a crash bar under the cooler like the 911's have under front mounted AC condensors. Lots of ideas in my head we'll see how good it looks when done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| SLITS |
Oct 27 2009, 06:32 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Damn, I have the mesh screen and bump bar from an '82 Cab ... get outta my brain. That's what I was going to use for cooler protection. Was going to mount an 11" X 14" Long Tru Cool flat like the A/C condenser.
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| jhadler |
Oct 27 2009, 06:46 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
QUOTE(rfuerst911sc @ Oct 27 2009, 04:11 PM) QUOTE(Dr. Roger @ Oct 27 2009, 03:42 PM) what kind of debris protection is going over it? oh, and nice location/install. =-) If you are familiar with 911 RS's of the 70's they had a valance/spoiler that basically " boxed " the cooler and had a mesh screen. That is what I am attempting to reproduce. I might even consider fabricating a crash bar under the cooler like the 911's have under front mounted AC condensors. Lots of ideas in my head we'll see how good it looks when done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I might just have what you're looking for!!! And I'm wanting to sell it! Here's some pics for ya! Let me know! It's out of the GT Racing catalog   -Josh2 |
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| jmill |
Oct 27 2009, 06:48 PM
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Green Hornet Group: Members Posts: 2,449 Joined: 9-May 08 From: Racine, Wisconsin Member No.: 9,038 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I like the placement. Are you sure you want to trust the zip ties. I think I'd use a clamp like the one pictured below. Much stronger and is secured with a bolt, not glue.
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| rfuerst911sc |
Oct 27 2009, 07:05 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(jhadler @ Oct 27 2009, 04:46 PM) QUOTE(rfuerst911sc @ Oct 27 2009, 04:11 PM) QUOTE(Dr. Roger @ Oct 27 2009, 03:42 PM) what kind of debris protection is going over it? oh, and nice location/install. =-) If you are familiar with 911 RS's of the 70's they had a valance/spoiler that basically " boxed " the cooler and had a mesh screen. That is what I am attempting to reproduce. I might even consider fabricating a crash bar under the cooler like the 911's have under front mounted AC condensors. Lots of ideas in my head we'll see how good it looks when done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I might just have what you're looking for!!! And I'm wanting to sell it! Here's some pics for ya! Let me know! It's out of the GT Racing catalog -Josh2 Josh please PM me more details.......price,size of cutout. I did look at that about a year ago and that's part of the reason I did my cooler this way. Weird how this might work out. |
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| rfuerst911sc |
Oct 27 2009, 07:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Oct 27 2009, 04:32 PM) Damn, I have the mesh screen and bump bar from an '82 Cab ... get outta my brain. That's what I was going to use for cooler protection. Was going to mount an 11" X 14" Long Tru Cool flat like the A/C condenser. Slits if I'm starting to think like you I'm in bigger trouble than I thought ! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Seriously why reinvent the wheel when Porsche has already layed the ground work. I have a 83SC with AC so I have studied the front protection and will graft something similiar. |
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| rfuerst911sc |
Oct 27 2009, 07:13 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(jmill @ Oct 27 2009, 04:48 PM) I like the placement. Are you sure you want to trust the zip ties. I think I'd use a clamp like the one pictured below. Much stronger and is secured with a bolt, not glue. jmill I work in the defense contractor business so I do have access to these clamps you have in the pic. However I didn't want to drill the holes into the floor pan. I ground the paint/primer to bare metal and glued the tie plates with JB weld so I don't think they are easily coming off. The zip ties I used are pretty heavy duty but surely not as strong as the clamps. I guess once I get the car running and get some heat cycles thru the hoses I'll see if there are any issues. I guess I could safety wire them in case a zip tie let go. Good feedback thanks. |
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| john rogers |
Oct 27 2009, 07:32 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
I would guess the first tech inspector that sees the zip ties will fail the car for the reasons mentioned. I realize you were worried about the fluid head losses but most racers run the oil lines up the outside of the longitudinals behind the covers or through the boxes for protection. If the car bottoms out then all will be ripped away very quickly and in all probability you would never be able to save the engine and anyone behind you will be really pissed off!
I had the race car bottom several times and once was when going over a curb at PIR and another time was on a track which was flat but you can't argue with gravity! In those cases the bolts that held my race seat down and were only a washer and nut thickness off the bottom were wiped nearly clean off the car. |
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| rfuerst911sc |
Oct 27 2009, 07:38 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(john rogers @ Oct 27 2009, 05:32 PM) I would guess the first tech inspector that sees the zip ties will fail the car for the reasons mentioned. I realize you were worried about the fluid head losses but most racers run the oil lines up the outside of the longitudinals behind the covers or through the boxes for protection. If the car bottoms out then all will be ripped away very quickly and in all probability you would never be able to save the engine and anyone behind you will be really pissed off! I had the race car bottom several times and once was when going over a curb at PIR and another time was on a track which was flat but you can't argue with gravity! In those cases the bolts that held my race seat down and were only a washer and nut thickness off the bottom were wiped nearly clean off the car. Interesting. I run my 911SC with a huge belly mounted AC condensor and all the associated lines under the car. It is lowered to Euro height ( much lower than the 914 ) and have never scraped anything. I have done 3 years of PCA AX and one DE and no one ever said a thing nor did I bottom out. Maybe I'm not pushing hard enough . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Your feedback is appreciated, I'm thinking outside the box and minor tweeking may be needed. However I'm not changing the placement of the lines. |
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| jhadler |
Oct 28 2009, 11:55 AM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
It's probably better that they're flexible braided lines though. If they were hard lines, one bottoming out on a gator strip at the track, and they'd be permanently dented, possibly leading to failure. The braided lines will bend, and flex, and still come back to allow oil to flow. Still, the zip ties might not fly with a tech inspector. I would find a way to get those clamps on there.
-Josh2 |
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| zymurgist |
Oct 28 2009, 12:26 PM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
Nice installation! You went out of your way to avoid what I consider the bane of conversions... loss of the front trunk.
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| SirAndy |
Oct 28 2009, 12:56 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,944 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Some of the GTs used a similar setup. I've got a pic somewhere. They simply used some steel tubing to protect the cooler from getting beaten up too badly.
All you need is a few inches behind the cooler to get a good air flow, so this should work just fine ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| jhadler |
Oct 28 2009, 01:10 PM
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Long term tinkerer... Group: Members Posts: 1,879 Joined: 7-April 03 From: Lyons, CO Member No.: 529 |
I was thinking something like a single chin bar in front of the cooler at the bottom edge.
-Josh2 |
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| J P Stein |
Oct 28 2009, 01:20 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
While I admire "thinking outside the box", I can see no reason to mount
a cooler & lines in harms way when good protection is easily available. |
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| race914 |
Oct 28 2009, 02:42 PM
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73 914-4 Group: Members Posts: 1,006 Joined: 31-October 05 From: Nipomo, California (Central Coast) Member No.: 5,027 Region Association: Central California |
'back in the day' I had the same setup.
(IMG:http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914_photo_gallery/braun_914.gif) I ran the lines behind the passenger side rocker panel though. I eventually moved it inside the front trunk and vented the exhaust upwards. Here's a pic without the front airdam & splitter showing the cooler.  Good job though! My first setup worked well. I'm sure it will work well for you too. |
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| cal44 |
Oct 28 2009, 03:37 PM
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Why can't hard oil lines be plumbed through the longs?
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| iamchappy |
Oct 28 2009, 03:54 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
I used to have the GT spoiler on my first 914 with the oil cooler, the cooler was only the size of the opening and i think a 4 pass but it did do a good job on the 2ltr 4. I ran braided line down the underside recessed channels. The only problem i ever had in many years of driving is when i hit a retread on the highway at 2am in the middle of Montana, it took out the cooler but the lines were still there.....
FYI i went through about 4 of those spoilers over the years because of the low clearance. Attached image(s)   
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