New GGR zone 7 autocross rules, what do people think??? Options

[anthony]

I'm curious, what do people think? Is the 914 going to rule the lowest (under 350 points) category? A stock 944 Turbo, 924S, 924 Turbo, 944S, 928S, early 911s, 74-75 911 Carrera will also be in that category. Will any of these cars be competitive against a 914.

The stock 914-6 with 400 base points seems to have been particularly screwed. The 914-2L has 300 base points.

Is this points system used elsewhere? Can we look at another region's AX results and figure out which cars will rule each class?

Do people even care about classes or is everybody essentially racing against themself?

[SirAndy]

Is this points system used elsewhere?

are those the new rules for 2005? if so, where did you get 'em ???

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy

[Demick]

Here's the website for the new rules proposal. You can fill out a form for your car and all of it's modifications and see where you are:

http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_c...s/web/index.php

I am fully in favor of the new rules. Right now there are so many classes that for most people there are only 2 or maybe 3 people in a class. With these new rules, there would be an average of closer to 15 people per class. Should be very good for competition.

Also, you are only penalized for modifications that you have. Under the current rules, a single modification can put you into a highly advanced class. It is fine if you start with a stock car and plan your mods accordingly, but if you buy a car that has been modified in any way, you could end up in race car oriented classes.

If you support the new rules proposal, please e-mail members of the rules committee. They will be deciding on whether these new rules will go into effect at a meeting on Oct 2. Your feedback is very important. The decision will be highly influenced on whether they believe that most people support the new rules or not.

Demick

[anthony]

Yes 2005. They spoke about it at the driver's meeting during the August Alameda AX.

[anthony]

Demick slipped in ahead of me. Thanks for the link. It seems like GGR should be promoting the rule change more on the web site. If you go to the "Autocross" page on the web site there's no obvious mention of the proposed rule changes.

I tried to attach the PDF here but the site bombs out when I attach a PDF.

[SirAndy]

yieks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif)

ok, so i started out with 125.00 base points ('70 914 1.7L).

but then ... 705.00 !!!

============================================
Andreas Schmidt
Car: 914/1.7/1.8 (1970-1975)

Base Points 125.00
Mod Points 580.00
Total Points 705.00

Evaluation for:
Both Autocross and Time Trial

Wheels:
Front Width: 7.00
Rear Width: 7.00

Class: TT6

Question#/Question Points
====================
1. Wheels – Points automatically assessed based on the values input for wheel widths. 100.00
2. Car has non-stock wheel spacer more than .25” thickness. 5.00
3. Car has non DOT legal tires or racing tires 150.00
4. Car has brake dust shields removed 0.00
7. Car has non-stock brake calipers 10.00
8. Car has brake rotors larger diameter than stock 20.00
9. Car has non-stock brake master cylinder 5.00
11. Car has non-stock brake balance device 5.00
17. Car has all original seats 0.00
18. Car has stock interior 0.00
19. Car has flared fenders added 10.00
20. Car has non-stock bumpers 20.00
29. Car has a rear aerodynamic device no taller than the roof, or wider than the body 20.00
30. Car has a non-stock front spoiler 10.00
31. Car has a stock transmission 0.00
32. Car is a 914 that has converted from tailshift to sideshift 0.00
35. Engine has a non-stock flywheel 5.00
38. Engine capacity increase from 251cc to 500cc 100.00
39. Engine is stock 0.00
44. Complete induction system has been replaced with alternate system 15.00
45. Engine has the stock ignition system 0.00
47. Engine is normally aspirated 0.00
50. The engine has a compression ratio not more than 1.0 ratio point higher than stock 0.00
51. The engine has non-stock camshafts 40.00
55. The engine has a stock muffler 0.00
56. The engine has stock heat exchangers or stock exhaust manifold 0.00
57. The car has non-stock sway bars 20.00
59. The car has non-stock Turbo tie rod ends 0.00
60. The car has steering rack spacers 0.00
65. The car has non-stock springs or torsion bars 30.00
68. The car has non-stock front control arms (944 replacements OK) 10.00
74. The suspension has non-stock suspension bushes not covered in item 70 5.00
75. The car has shock absorbers with single external adjustment or no adjustability. 0.00

[SirAndy]

according to their list of stock cars, i'm just a little bit shy of a "stock" 2005 Carrera GT ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Andy

http://sandbox.visualproduce.com/rulcomm_c...b/cars_list.php

[Martin Baker]

. 0.00

[nebreitling]

445 points!

god, those wheels and that header kick my ass...


i don't understand what the drawback would be with these changes. i like the idea of racing against 944's or 911's, etc. i like the idea of 10 people in a class instead of 2. and a little competition is healthy.

[Britain Smith]

Here is what a basically stock car looks like...there are still only a couple of people in my class.



Britain Smith Base Points Mod Points Total Points

Car: 914/1.7/1.8 (1970-1975) Car Number:
275.00 75.00 350.00

Evaluation for: Autocross Only Wheels: Front Width: 5.50 Rear Width: 5.50

Class: AX13 Gender: M

Question# Question Points
1. Wheels – Points automatically assessed based on the values input for wheel widths. 0.00
3. Car has DOT "street" tires treadwear rating over 100 0.00
7. Car has stock brake calipers 0.00
8. Car has stock or thicker brake rotors maintaining stock diameter 0.00
17. Car has all original seats 0.00
18. Car has stock interior 0.00
19. Car has stock fenders or fender lips rolled 0.00
29. Car has no rear spoiler – or is a stock Boxster with no spoiler 0.00
31. Car has a stock transmission 0.00
38. No engine capacity increase 0.00
39. Engine is stock 0.00
45. Engine has the stock ignition system 0.00
47. Engine is normally aspirated 0.00
50. The engine has a compression ratio not more than 1.0 ratio point higher than stock 0.00
55. The engine has a stock muffler 0.00
56. The engine has stock heat exchangers or stock exhaust manifold 0.00
57. The car has non-stock sway bars 30.00
60. The car has steering rack spacers 0.00
65. The car has non-stock springs or torsion bars 45.00
75. The car has shock absorbers with single external adjustment or no adjustability. 0.00

[nebreitling]

a couple weird things i'm noticing (though i'm still in favor)

spring and sway bar limits are gone. now it's just "stock" or "non-stock". seems to me that there would be a big difference in non-stock 140's vs. non-stock 300's; or a non-stock 19mm bar vs. a non-stock 30+ mm bar.

but it's cool that falken azeni's don't add points... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

can't wait...

[Trekkor]

I classed my car two ways, as is and as planned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

KT

[Demick]

My car weighs in at 710 points, which puts me in AX6.

This seems like it will be a very good and competetive class to be in. Already there are 17 people in AX6. If the rules get adopted, I wouldn't be surprised if 30-40 people end up in that class. That would be great to be in a series points competition with that many people!

Demick

[anthony]

ok, so i started out with 125.00 base points ('70 914 1.7L).

Andy, for AX you start off with 275 base points. Note one column for Time Trial and the other for Autocross.

I still think the stock 914-6 has gotten screwed with 400 base points.

The 912E seems like a bargain at 125 base points. There's a lot of room for lots of mods while still keeping it under 350 or 400.

[SirAndy]

Andy, for AX you start off with 275 base points. Note one column for Time Trial and the other for Autocross.

yeah, just figured that out as well ...

even worse, for AX, i have 885.00 Points !!!!

AX5 anyone ???
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy

[nebreitling]

you'd better drive the shit outta that car, andy!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[KenH]

GO TO THE MEETING!!!!

http://www.pca-ggr.org/directions.html#rules

Ken