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Track Time Costs |
seanery |
Nov 1 2004, 01:58 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
IRP
Available - Oct 7th Costs: Corner Workers (6 necessary) $12/hour x 8 hours = $576 Ambulance $60/hour x 8 hours = $480 Track Rental $3000 Insurance $1800 Total $5856 Pricing assumes no rate increases and hinges upon their insurance underwriter's approval Pros A little closer to Indy A little cheaper Cons Fuel sales - we pay for and need to get reimbursed by the driver getting fuel Not the same "team" feeling the other place provides, more like a "we" and "them" thing (staff-wise) Track NEEDS repair, and they told me so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Everything is OLD NHRA owns the track, everything but Drag Racing is "filler" Not sure if local drivers will fill field (if we want them to or not) Turn 9 - We lost 5 cars in 1 day at this turn Turn 15 - Someone moved a solid concrete barrier 15 yards that day Most armco is not protected with hay or tires (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1099340175.gif) (Mike 387.7341) |
seanery |
Nov 1 2004, 02:02 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Putnam Park
Available - Oct 7, 14, 21 Costs: $7133 all inclusive Total $7133 Pros beautiful track low impact on cars - turn 10 is really only turn with possible wall-smacking damage great people to work with, you work with them, not just pay them concession stand & goodie store clean restrooms can probably pick up local drivers to fill field Cons a little farther to get to Columbus a little bit more money (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-11-1099339986.gif) (Chris 561.472.3599) |
mudfoot76 |
Nov 1 2004, 03:08 PM
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Currently teenerless :-( Group: Members Posts: 946 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Carmel, IN Member No.: 1,814 Region Association: None |
Don't get me wrong, as I love PPRC. I just proposed IRP as a potential alternative. Having driven on both, I would pick PPRC anyday. Finding locals to fill out the field for putnam is not a problem, as we just proved this past weekend (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
But, if FFC '05 is based in Columbus, that is quite a distance for people to be travelling. |
GaroldShaffer |
Nov 1 2004, 03:23 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,627 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
Not to put a damper on this but IF we get 30 cars it would cost each car approx $237 just for the track stuff not counting the Hotel, gas, food, shirts and other misc stuff.
You think we could sell this to the club members?? I'm all for going on the track, but I think a AX event might be easier to sell (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Smaller chance of wading up your car and for people that have never done any sort of "racing" type of event going on the track might seem a little much. Sponsorship will help, but look at the hard time I had getting $$$. A lot of places were willing to donate a door prize but not cash. |
seanery |
Nov 1 2004, 03:34 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
Putnam is a popular track, getting filler is not a problem. Our event last week was sold out more than 30 days prior to the event. Unlike club racing, we actually make $ on a DE. Fridays, however, aren't as busy as Saturday. BUT, at CIR we reserve Fridays for Instructors so they can get their solo time before they are stuck instructing.
Our Chief Instructor, Curt DeVoe put 607 miles in this weekend! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) That's a lot of seat time. My guess is, we could offer everyone about 2 hours + seat time on Friday. That's pretty good, especially compared to the 10 minutes an A/X offers. I bet we could probably get a sponsor for Friday's Track Time as well, not all of it though. |
Engman |
Nov 1 2004, 03:40 PM
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Zoisite Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,349 Joined: 25-March 03 From: New Albany, IN Member No.: 475 |
Small steps, small steps - this next year my vote is for an AX and then talk up a DE for the following year. Yes - you get more time in the DE, but the Ax will be a very cost effective and gradual step up to the DE. And
QUOTE Turn 9 - We lost 5 cars in 1 day at this turn Turn 15 - Someone moved a solid concrete barrier 15 yards that day Not likely to happen in a DE. Just my .002 worth. M |
GaroldShaffer |
Nov 1 2004, 03:55 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,627 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
I have never done a DE event, so I can't compare the two. For me doing a track day is great, just not sure you would have people interested in doing this with their street cars? I think we also need to look at AXing possibilities?
What does a usual DE event cost to attend? |
seanery |
Nov 1 2004, 04:01 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
A weekend for us at Putnam runs about $300. I'm guessing that we could easily offer a $200 day, possibly less if we allow more cars. Pro Driving Group will let us share a day with them Sept 30, they charge their attendees (not us) approx $450/day but that includes 2 catered meals. Its kind of a rich guy club.
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mudfoot76 |
Nov 1 2004, 06:34 PM
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Currently teenerless :-( Group: Members Posts: 946 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Carmel, IN Member No.: 1,814 Region Association: None |
Another thing to consider in either the case of DE or AX, is what about people who don't have helmets?
Bluegrass was very kind to loan 6 SA2000 helmets for "Intro to DE" riders this past weekend. As a club, could we (914club) pull that kind of a favor? In my personal experience with DE, when I first heard it only cost $300, I jumped at the chance. Then I realized I had to supply my own helmet, have my car inspected by a mechanic, etc before I could put one tire onto a circuit. In total, I think I actually spent about $1000 for my first DE experience. While much of that figure was a one-time cost (mostly the helmet and safety gear), I suspect that for your first AX, those one-time costs are similar. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I've never done AX before though, so I don't really know what's involved. |
seanery |
Nov 1 2004, 07:16 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
tech shouldn't have to be expensive if the car is cared for.
Most owners can tech their car before they arrive at the track. What we do is the bare minimum....lug torque, brake fluid, no leaks, wheel bearing play, brake lights, etc... Helmets could be a sponsorship thing, we're gonna have the same issue at the WCC, there is a DE there, too. |
GaroldShaffer |
Nov 1 2004, 10:47 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,627 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
QUOTE I've never done AX before though, so I don't really know what's involved I can only speak for SCCA, never done PCA AX event. You can use M rated helmet, most tech is to make sure all loose stuff is removed from the car, check wheel bearing play, and helmet is at least 1995 M or SA . Also average cost per car is $20, some regions charge $25 for non SCCA drivers but if we could work something out with the local region. The Indy region of the SCCA held a event in Walesboro, which, according to mapequest, is only 4 miles from Columbus. I could contact them about their 2005 schedule and see if we could work something out with them where they would schedule a AX there when we would be there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) edit: I forgot I did one PCA event but my helmet is SA rated. Not sure it they allow M rated helmets or not. This post has been edited by itsa914: Nov 2 2004, 08:33 AM |
GaroldShaffer |
Nov 1 2004, 10:49 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,627 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
Forgot to add that they used the airport at Walesboro.
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mudfoot76 |
Nov 2 2004, 08:43 AM
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Currently teenerless :-( Group: Members Posts: 946 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Carmel, IN Member No.: 1,814 Region Association: None |
PCA requires SA rating, M ist verbotten
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Pnambic |
Nov 2 2004, 01:25 PM
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Honk if you like obscene gestures! Group: Members Posts: 914 Joined: 9-April 03 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 546 Region Association: South East States |
heh, I'm sure you can tell by my comment who has running 914's and who doesn't, but here goes...
It sounds like it might get pricey. Obviously, we don't know what sponsorship we'll be able to uncover yet, so who knows. Most Pricey --> Putnam Mid Range --> AX somewhere Cheapest --> Whiteland Raceway Park I know, I know, I know....they're not Porsche's, but...
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mudfoot76 |
Nov 2 2004, 02:04 PM
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Currently teenerless :-( Group: Members Posts: 946 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Carmel, IN Member No.: 1,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Pnambic @ Nov 2 2004, 02:25 PM) HEY!! Good idea! I had not even considered the karting possibility! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) You do make excellent points about people possibly messing up their rides -- it is always a worry to me when I go out for DE. A place like Whiteland can be rented out so only club people run. They will even set up brackets for sprint racing. Or we could have our own 'enduro' there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
Pnambic |
Nov 2 2004, 02:47 PM
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Honk if you like obscene gestures! Group: Members Posts: 914 Joined: 9-April 03 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 546 Region Association: South East States |
I really like that enduro idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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GaroldShaffer |
Nov 2 2004, 04:09 PM
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You bought another 914? Group: Benefactors Posts: 7,627 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Portage, IN Member No.: 865 Region Association: None |
Dan, you whimp (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
That would be cool, plus the wives that attend could drive also. I know if we did a AX Julie would ride along with me, but she would never drive my car. I really like this idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) |
mudfoot76 |
Nov 3 2004, 07:49 PM
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Currently teenerless :-( Group: Members Posts: 946 Joined: 18-March 04 From: Carmel, IN Member No.: 1,814 Region Association: None |
Maybe some of us 'locals' can get together at Whiteland raceway and check this place out. I've been there once, but that was a few years ago. I can vouch for the high kart speeds. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
I didn't notice on the website if they close for the winter or not. |
seanery |
Nov 3 2004, 07:56 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
The owner's wife was a teacher of mine. That's Gary Lee of Channel 4, ESPN, and Prime Sports fame (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Pnambic |
Nov 4 2004, 10:52 AM
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Honk if you like obscene gestures! Group: Members Posts: 914 Joined: 9-April 03 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 546 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Pnambic @ Nov 2 2004, 02:25 PM) I know, I know, I know....they're not Porsche's, but...
I think they're air cooled too! hahaha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Think you can use your "connections" there Sean to get us a discount? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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