 Bernie Bergmann Turbo Kit, anyone seen one? |
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| McMark |
 Jan 15 2013, 10:24 AM
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914 Freak!  Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None  |
I was flipping through an old Excellence from 1990 and came across this ad. Hard to believe that they sold zero kits. Anyone out there seen one?
The 'cheap' kit was $1495 in 1990, which when accounting for inflation would be $2500 today (according to The Internet®). Wonder what turbo it is.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Chris Pincetich |
Jan 15 2013, 02:26 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
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| euro911 |
Jan 15 2013, 02:36 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,878 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California 
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| DBCooper |
Jan 15 2013, 03:23 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Bernie Bergman... Fifteen-twenty years ago there was a story about a guy pulling into parking lot behind Bernie's shop, seeing him out back "clearancing" a stroker motor on an engine stand by revving it up to 4000, back to 2000, up to 4000. It evidently had a slight knock on startup, case not ground quite enough for the crank swing.
Oh, sorry, what was the question again? |
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| Bleyseng |
Jan 15 2013, 03:28 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,036 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
A guy on this site years ago was trying to get one running again.
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| Chris H. |
Jan 15 2013, 03:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,055 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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You can't turbo a 914.
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| Ferg |
Jan 15 2013, 03:41 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 02:33 PM)  You can't turbo a 914. Took 4 posts, but Thank You (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| Chris H. |
Jan 15 2013, 03:44 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,055 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Felt pretty good.
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| rtalich |
Jan 15 2013, 05:47 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 6,913 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 01:33 PM) You can't turbo a 914. Says who?......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Zimms |
Jan 15 2013, 05:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,415 Joined: 11-February 06 From: Michigan Member No.: 5,565 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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QUOTE(rtalich @ Jan 15 2013, 06:47 PM) QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 01:33 PM) You can't turbo a 914. Says who?......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) Any in car shots? |
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| MrLeeS |
Jan 15 2013, 06:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 25-April 09 From: Albuquerque, NM Member No.: 10,300 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 02:33 PM) You can't turbo a 914. Funny, thats what I heard too. So i put 40k+ miles on this:  |
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| rtalich |
Jan 15 2013, 06:05 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Bellevue, WA Member No.: 6,913 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Zimms @ Jan 15 2013, 03:58 PM) QUOTE(rtalich @ Jan 15 2013, 06:47 PM) QUOTE(Chris H. @ Jan 15 2013, 01:33 PM) You can't turbo a 914. Says who?......... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) Any in car shots? Not yet... Soon I hope :-) |
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| iamchappy |
Jan 15 2013, 06:53 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest  |
Yes you can..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| get off my lawn |
Jan 15 2013, 06:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 168 Joined: 18-August 11 From: west coast Member No.: 13,462 Region Association: None |
I spoke to Bernie about 10 or 15 years ago.
he told me he lost money on every turbo kit he sold because of all the bench racers and tire kickers. he had to spend countless hours answering phone calls and talking to potential cuistomers who never bought anything. In the end he threw it all in a dumpster and said good riddance. And ferg's right, you can't turbo a 914. Attached image(s)  
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| McMark |
Jan 15 2013, 07:20 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Just to prove Rob's big ass turbo motor does fit in a stock engine bay...
 And since we're sharing turbo pics...  |
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| sixnotfour |
Jan 15 2013, 07:26 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,793 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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MSDS turbo kit;
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| last337 |
Jan 15 2013, 07:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 421 Joined: 4-December 12 From: New Orleans Member No.: 15,221 Region Association: None |
Just out of curiosity, why do you say you can't turbo a 914? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)
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| Chris H. |
Jan 15 2013, 08:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,055 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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It's an old joke...don't remember how it started..probably an "expert"saying there was some mechanical or engineering limitation that prevented a type 4 from being turbocharged. Used to come up frequently. I never got to say it first until today!!!! (I'm slow)
There have been several REALLY nice Type 4 turbo cars BTW. The one that comes to mind is nein 14's. |
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| DBCooper |
Jan 15 2013, 08:49 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
There are various stories, but I remember Jake Raby saying it on the ShopTalkForms T4 board more than ten years ago. There was a contingent of Europeans who were turboing their engines and using 103 and 106 barrels, getting huge horsepower, but needing to five and six stud the heads to keep them sealed. Jake thought that practice was unacceptable so answered turbo questions with "you can't turbo a T4." How it got to 914's I'm not sure but Jake has a pretty strong personality so it became kind of a joke on STF to repeat that to any newby who asked turbo questions. The guys who repeated it most often were those Europeans who'd turboed their cars. They thought it was hilarious.
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| draganc |
Jan 15 2013, 10:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
I think those turbo engines have been photoshop-ed.
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