 Your current TYPE IV set up, Tell me what you have and what you think about it |
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| Hine62 |
 Aug 25 2014, 10:38 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 4-October 12 From: Binghamton, NY Member No.: 15,000 Region Association: None  |
I'd like to know what some of the members are running for a type iv. Please answer the following questions:
1. What is the stroke, bore, and CC's of the engine? 2. If the engine is stroked over 71mm what case work was needed? 3. What cam are you running? 4. If using carbs/EFI, what is the setup? 5. What's the HP, or do you feel the engine has good torque/HP for the setup you have? 6. Comments on anything else... Hine62 |
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| crash914 |
Aug 25 2014, 10:53 AM
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its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,828 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
103 bore, 80mm stroke, reduced base circle cam, relieved case and big end of the rods...had to machine case for the cylinders, ordered heads to fit the larger cylinders..fuel injected megasquirt...horsepower? no idea, but pulls a lot better than stock! 150+ or so..torque to match. I set this up to be a torque monster..so far it is. I need a lot more tire as I light them up way too easily. it makes autocross a lot of fun.
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| Mark Henry |
Aug 25 2014, 10:58 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
I have about the same engine as Herb in my '67 bug, look at my signature...torque monster is an understatement.
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| colingreene |
Aug 25 2014, 12:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 17-October 13 From: Southern California Member No.: 16,526 Region Association: Southern California |
mines a 94mmx78mm
makes it a 2258 we did clear the case slightly but it was not a huge deal with Jorges rods. Running dual webber 40 IDF carbs Not sure about the hp but i can tell you its heavy to move around on the cart in my garage, hopefully ill know more soon! |
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| malcolm2 |
Aug 25 2014, 12:52 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,747 Joined: 31-May 11 From: Nashville Member No.: 13,139 Region Association: South East States 
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QUOTE(Hine62 @ Aug 25 2014, 11:38 AM)  I'd like to know what some of the members are running for a type iv. Please answer the following questions: 1. What is the stroke, bore, and CC's of the engine? 2. If the engine is stroked over 71mm what case work was needed? 3. What cam are you running? 4. If using carbs/EFI, what is the setup? 5. What's the HP, or do you feel the engine has good torque/HP for the setup you have? 6. Comments on anything else... Hine62 Mine was a 1.8 (1756) to a 1911. I used the 66mm crank and went with 96mm pistons and cylinders from KB and AA. Bought from the type 4 store, so they have Hasting rings. Got a 9550 cam from Jake... The one that runs best with FI, I am working from memory here. I do have OEM L-Jet injection. just under 8 on my CR. I added 911 rockers with swivel feet. went thru the whole push rod measuring and fabrication thing too. HAM re-worked my heads with new valves, etc.... He opened the ports and increased the valve size to the OEM 2 liter size valves. I ditched the points and condenser and got a little HOT START module from eBay. Stock '75 exhaust for now. I did adjust the AFM gear about 11 teeth to account for the increased displacement. Not sure about the HP, maybe I'll check it one day. Clark |
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| Hine62 |
Aug 25 2014, 03:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 4-October 12 From: Binghamton, NY Member No.: 15,000 Region Association: None |
Great info! I'd post mine but it's stock 1.8 with dual 34s and it needs more power...
Anyone else want to post their setup? Hine62 |
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| Elliot Cannon |
Aug 25 2014, 04:00 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None 
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FAT Perfromance built. 76 crank, 96 pistons, 44idf Webers, Euro Headers, ceramic valve lifters. 147 HP at 5,500 RPM.
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| Kansas 914 |
Aug 25 2014, 04:05 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,999 Joined: 1-March 03 From: Durango, Colorado Member No.: 373 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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I didn't build the motor - but it is in my car and runs great:
Schneider Cams carb cam. (similar to the webcam 86) -Brand new Febi lifters -Chromoly pushrods -911 swivel foot adjusters (real german ones) -Solid rocker spacers from Jake Raby -Cylinder heads were rebuilt by Adrian at HeadFlow Masters in Vista with new stainless valves, new guides and seats, and any cracks welded and remachined -Chamber work and porting performed by Sean Molloy at SD Autosport -74mm welded and reground original crankshaft. -96mm pistons and cylinders from AA pistons. -Lightened flyweel. -9:1 compression ratio. -Scat deep sump pan. (Increases oil capacity an extra 1.5 quarts) -Headflow masters oil pressure relief valve (I run 30 psi oil pressure at idle when the oil is at 210 degree F) -Melling cast iron high volume pump Induction: -Weber 40 IDF carbs, jetted perfectly for the motor using 32mm venturis. Jetting performed using a wideband AFR. -CFR throttle linkage, perfect sync, all day, every day -CB performance long intakes, port matched to heads. -AN-6 fuel fittings and stainless braided lines throughout the engine bay. -K&N air filters Exhaust: -Kerry Hunter header -Stainless steel magnaflow muffler, exits on the passenger side. Ignition: -Mallory Unilite, and MSD plug wires both purchased from Chris Foley at CFR. -MSD 6AL rev limiting ignition box -MSD blaster 2 high vibration coil |
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| Bills914-4 |
Aug 25 2014, 06:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 1-March 08 From: suburbs of Miami FL. Member No.: 8,762 Region Association: South East States |
My new rebuild I just finished,(still putting together megasquirt 2xtra ignition/8 plugs)
84c x 103 ( 2800cc ) 5.7 h-beam rods moly coated main,rod & cam bearings new pauter dual pattern cam ( 1" base circle ) 1.48 pauter bushed roller tip rockers dual taper cromoly pushrods old school aria's forged pistons , ceramic coated tops & moly coated skirts 48x38 11 to 1 cr. heads with ceramic coated chambers & valve faces CB's vw650 springs with BP's titanium retainers & modified comp-cams lash caps twin spark plug conversion 1 7/8 cfr tangerine exaust CB's 48mm dual throttle bodies & efi (eventually megasquirt 2xtra efi ) custom dry-sump oil system 11 lbs. flywheel, KEP stage II p.p. & custom clutchnet disc cheers Bill D. |
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| saigon71 |
Aug 25 2014, 06:58 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,006 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(WLD419 @ Aug 25 2014, 08:44 PM) My new rebuild I just finished,(still putting together megasquirt 2xtra ignition/8 plugs) 84c x 103 ( 2800cc ) 5.7 h-beam rods moly coated main,rod & cam bearings new pauter dual pattern cam ( 1" base circle ) 1.48 pauter bushed roller tip rockers dual taper cromoly pushrods old school aria's forged pistons , ceramic coated tops & moly coated skirts 48x38 11 to 1 cr. heads with ceramic coated chambers & valve faces CB's vw650 springs with BP's titanium retainers & modified comp-cams lash caps twin spark plug conversion 1 7/8 cfr tangerine exaust CB's 48mm dual throttle bodies & efi (eventually megasquirt 2xtra efi ) custom dry-sump oil system 11 lbs. flywheel, KEP stage II p.p. & custom clutchnet disc cheers Bill D. Damn, that's an awesome type 4! I look forward to seeing the dyno chart on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| saigon71 |
Aug 25 2014, 07:08 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,006 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Dillsburg, PA Member No.: 10,428 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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I'm running a stock 2.0 D-jet. 95HP, 94 x 71 B/S. While I may go bigger when this engine gets tired, I must say I'm impressed with it. It pulls hard in all gears, gets 27MPG and is very reliable (after working out a few bugs).
What are your plans (and budget) for the car? I would base your engine choice on that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| Bills914-4 |
Aug 25 2014, 08:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 1-March 08 From: suburbs of Miami FL. Member No.: 8,762 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(saigon71 @ Aug 25 2014, 08:58 PM) QUOTE(WLD419 @ Aug 25 2014, 08:44 PM) My new rebuild I just finished,(still putting together megasquirt 2xtra ignition/8 plugs) 84c x 103 ( 2800cc ) 5.7 h-beam rods moly coated main,rod & cam bearings new pauter dual pattern cam ( 1" base circle ) 1.48 pauter bushed roller tip rockers dual taper cromoly pushrods old school aria's forged pistons , ceramic coated tops & moly coated skirts 48x38 11 to 1 cr. heads with ceramic coated chambers & valve faces CB's vw650 springs with BP's titanium retainers & modified comp-cams lash caps twin spark plug conversion 1 7/8 cfr tangerine exaust CB's 48mm dual throttle bodies & efi (eventually megasquirt 2xtra efi ) custom dry-sump oil system 11 lbs. flywheel, KEP stage II p.p. & custom clutchnet disc cheers Bill D. Damn, that's an awesome type 4! I look forward to seeing the dyno chart on this one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Thank you very much (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) , here's a little video ,it has carbs & distributor for the purpose of cam breakin , (twin plug ignition not ready ) 2nd run after valve & timing ajustment , thanks Bill D. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT3PC3JE350...eature=youtu.be |
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| mepstein |
Aug 25 2014, 08:25 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,647 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Stock '71 - 1.7 in a stock car. Minimal horsepower, barely enough torque. Driving it makes me smile (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| Porschef |
Aug 26 2014, 06:46 AM
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How you doin' Group: Members Posts: 2,180 Joined: 7-September 10 From: LawnGuyland Member No.: 12,152 Region Association: North East States
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2056 w AA cylinders and KB pistons. 9550 cam, Ljet, 9:1 cr. SS heat exchangers, Leistritz factory muffler.
Runs very well after cold start up, which requires throttle control to keep it running. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) A minute or so later, all's good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| Bleyseng |
Aug 26 2014, 07:22 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,036 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
2056cc with 96mm pistons 71mm stroke, 9 to 1 CR, 42x38 valves, HD valve springs, 9550 cam, Djet tuned. About 120hp, revs to 6500 with ease.
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| eyesright |
Aug 26 2014, 10:18 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 430 Joined: 8-January 12 From: OK Member No.: 13,979 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Home rebuild of a stock '76, FI 2L.
My crank was bent so I bought a counterweighted stock crank from Rimco and balanced the rods, flywheel, etc. I think the counterweighted crank is smoother @highway speeds than my stock 1.7 and a '70 bug I have. AA flat top piston, cyl assemblies. The stock pistons were dished so the flat tops give a little more compression. AA parts need to be measured and matched... HAM rebuilt my heads and I bought a Raby 9550 cam kit. Used Jake's video to put it together (but remember the oil sump baffle..tray..thingy...) Pertronics II and coil. It has plenty of power for me and pulls nicely thru a near stop in 2nd gear. I get 30/35 mpg. Highway speeds of 75 -80. I've had it up to 125 indicated with stock/tall tires. My head temps run 275 to 325, sometimes 350 if there's a head wind. Oil temps are around 200 this summer with a cooler in the deck lid. I'm going to take it off this fall and see how it does. Rimco and HAM were good to work with and the Raby cam does everthing he says it does. The ignition hasn't failed yet. I can't wait to do another one. I'll try a 2056. Good luck |
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| Dtjaden |
Aug 26 2014, 10:29 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 232 Joined: 25-May 13 From: Morgan Hill, CA Member No.: 15,915 Region Association: Northern California |
2056 cc
European Motorworks 96mm pistons & barrels Webcam 86 & lifters 2L heads by Brothers Machine, Stock valve sizes, mild port & polish, dual valve springs Stock 71mm crankshaft Megasquirt engine management (FI & ignition) Stock intake & injectors European Racing headers & muffler (GT Racing) Haven't been on a dyno yet so I don't know the HP/torque |
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| Johny Blackstain |
Aug 26 2014, 11:29 AM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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My LE has it's original 2.0 engine using stock D-jet FI & cam, w/ OEM Mahle euro pistons & cylinders, Bursch tuned exhaust, K&N air filter & Pertronix ignition. Not a heavily modified engine but I'm guessing between 100-105 bhp. Smooth, torquie & fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| Hine62 |
Aug 26 2014, 02:22 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 4-October 12 From: Binghamton, NY Member No.: 15,000 Region Association: None |
Lots of great information. It looks like the 2056 is the most performed up grade. With a 71mm crank the case doesn't need to be machined.
@Dtjaden Did you install the megasquirt? How much did you spend? hine62 |
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| malcolm2 |
Aug 26 2014, 02:45 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,747 Joined: 31-May 11 From: Nashville Member No.: 13,139 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(Porschef @ Aug 26 2014, 07:46 AM) 2056 w AA cylinders and KB pistons. 9550 cam, Ljet, 9:1 cr. SS heat exchangers, Leistritz factory muffler. Runs very well after cold start up, which requires throttle control to keep it running. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) A minute or so later, all's good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Mine does that too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) I am getting good at the big toe on the brake and the pinky toe on the gas 'til I get out of the neighborhood. What causes that cold or early idle issue? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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