Has anyone asked this before PMB - Jenvey Stuff Options

[rick 918-S]

Eric or anyone with the Jenvey setup.

Question (s)

1) I see the Jenvey Heritage TB set up on Eric's site. Eric are you planning on selling a kit with the parts to install?

https://pmbperformance.com/products/jenvey-...774e8&_ss=r

There is a reference to this thing.

https://www.jegs.com/p/Holley/Holley-Termin...337746/10002/-1

Then there is this thing what ever it is

https://www.jegs.com/i/Holley/510/543-122/10002/-1

B) Can someone post a list of parts needed to install this on a stock 2.0? There is clearly more than just the Holley thing that manages it.

Talk to me like a 4 grader. I am not smarter than a 5th grader. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Eric_Shea]

@JamesM can probably cleanup where I missed a few.

1. Holley ECU - the brain
2. A pair of Jenvey Heritage IDF 40’s
3. Wide band O2 sensor
4. Crank trigger and sensor (Permatune Dizzy replacement)
5. Air intake sensor
6. Wiring skills

The Holley would replace your L or D-jet brain. This frankly what you’re after. It is a modern self learning system. It doesn’t care about your cam profiles so now you can simply build your dream engine and top it off with electronic fuel injection. It also can handle your spark as well. You can set, manipulate, and program, perfect timing, curves for each rpm range, etc. if you went that route you could stay with the Permatune or go with individual coils etc.

You mentioned above both Jenvey and dropping a system on a stock 2.0. That’s why I came up with that list. You could put this ECU on a stock 2 L motor and maintain most of the stock injection components. The MPS would obviously go away, but all of the induction could stay. The distributor and coil could stay but the Holley would not control the spark at that point.

Again, the real benefit of a system like this is to be able to build the Type 4 to and a more modern standard. They now have stroker cranks that fit into the case without modification. You can then select the cam of your choice because the electronic fuel injection is no longer dependent upon, a mild cam for its performance. The ECU takes its commands from the crank sensor, telling it how fast the engine is turning, the O2 sensor, telling it what the AFR is and the throttle position sensor telling it how far Ricks foot is in it. It also has an integrated MAP sensor on the board, telling it what manifold pressure is.

I guess the bottom line in fourth grader terms would be the computer takes all of that and works its magic. Basically 2023 New car EFI on a 914.

Hope that helps.

[rick 918-S]

Thank you Eric! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)

I have a 912 we are doing a Type IV 2.0. This would work out Sweet!

[seanery]

Eric, this is the stuff we saw at RRC? If so, man it's cool, Rick!

[GBX0073]

Great Question Rick
And appreciate your Response Eric

[913B]

Which Holley Kit are we talking about, it can range from 1500-2500 from the link.

Was there reasons why the Holley kit was more suited for the build instead of a Microsquirt setup?

Will there be a engine/ecu kit that will be offered soon?

[rick 918-S]

I need simple like my mind. Self tuning is what I need.

[Eric_Shea]

Eric, this is the stuff we saw at RRC? If so, man it's cool, Rick!

It is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Eric_Shea]

Which Holley Kit are we talking about, it can range from 1500-2500 from the link.

Was there reasons why the Holley kit was more suited for the build instead of a Microsquirt setup?

Will there be a engine/ecu kit that will be offered soon?

We use the Terminator X Universal.

We will more than likely never go back to Mega/MicroSquirt again. The Holley ECU is self learning. Even in the 7-10 seconds of a dyno pull we were able to go back and check the logs and see the unit adjust to under, then over, then settle right on the yellow fuel delivery target line… in seconds. Amazing.

We’ve been working towards kits. This is why we reached out to Permatune. Lonnie is a genius at developing what we asked for and delivering more. For a “Kit” we wanted end consumers to be able to install this without dropping the motor. We wanted cam sync and crank trigger all in one package. We’ve installed this on 2.0 engines and factory plumbing. There’s more work to do for all engines.

Stay “Tuned” (get it) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[FlacaProductions]

For a “Kit” we wanted end consumers to be able to install this without dropping the motor.

Now you REALLY have my attention....

[Chris914n6]

Basically 2023 New car EFI on a 914.

Without a MAF it's pre-90s tech. 2023 would be direct injection (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

But it's a smart ECU and WBO2 so WAY better than 80s tech (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[mepstein]

Seems like a great modern solution to keeping our cars on the road. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Montreal914]

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[JamesM]

@JamesM can probably cleanup where I missed a few.

1. Holley ECU - the brain
2. A pair of Jenvey Heritage IDF 40’s
3. Wide band O2 sensor
4. Crank trigger and sensor (Permatune Dizzy replacement)
5. Air intake sensor
6. Wiring skills

That and a coolant temp sensor sums it up pretty well. There is other stuff that can be added like an IAC, but its not mandatory. If you are just looking to somehow use the throttle bodies than the high level answer is pretty much a complete aftermarket injection system.

[JamesM]

Talk to me like a 4 grader. I am not smarter than a 5th grader. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

There may be a steep learning curve here then as many experienced auto mechanics and enthusiasts struggle with this stuff as well. This is where cars cross over into the realm of tech nerds.

Easy button, get someone who is familiar with it all to put together a complete package for you. Unless you are a 4th grader that is good with wiring and tuning theory because the alternative starts out something like this...

[jim_hoyland]

Hmm….

[rick 918-S]

If you don't need trigger points or points for that matter couldn't you install a trigger wheel inside the dizzy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) oh and really I do have skills I consider beyond 5th grade but why reinvent the wheel when Eric seems to be on t something good here. Since I brought this up there seems to be some real interest in a package deal. Price point will always be a concern with this group of do it yourself guys and gals. That is the magic right there.

[seanery]

Rick, we all know you have the skills! Just take a look at the Alien!!! LOL

[rick 918-S]

Wow Sean! The last I remember you were doing the dino thing. Good to see you are still here. Ya, Alien and other things.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/assimilate.gif)

[VaccaRabite]

If you don't need trigger points or points for that matter couldn't you install a trigger wheel inside the dizzy?

Its been done.

BUT.

Getting the trigger into the dizzy means its gotta be small and the hall sensor sticks out somewhere. And the times its bee tried there was a lot left to be desired.

There are a couple options for trigger wheels on the crank. PMB, DubShop to name a few, and the are EASY to set up. Though you have to at least pull the fan - and the one I did included pulling the doghouse on a 4.

Added benefit - you no longer need to have the dizzy sitting atop the engine. Which means you have high value real estate to mount other stuff you might want. I have my oil pressure switch there, as well as the routing of all my wires through were the dizzy was.

Zach