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| ChrisReale |
 Sep 16 2003, 02:59 PM
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Sleazy  Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176  |
What is the weight difference between a Kuhmo V Racer and a Hoosier?
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| Brad Roberts |
Sep 16 2003, 03:00 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
8-9 lbs if I recall correctly. The Vracers have steel belts... Hoosier uses composite.
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| campbellcj |
Sep 16 2003, 03:44 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,575 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California 
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I lost my damn notes, but it is a significant diff. A couple or three pounds per corner IIRC. You can feel it very noticably when you lift the two wheels together (i.e. one on each arm.)
Actually I have the Ecsta V700 which I think is supposed to be a little lighter than the old Victoracer. But it's still heavy. |
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| ChrisReale |
Sep 16 2003, 04:11 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
Thanks Guys. I might spring for a set of Hoosiers after my VRacers wear out. I am surprised at how durable the VRacers are.
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| porsche735 |
Sep 16 2003, 04:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 127 |
Why are you asking? If you want the true performance, use the Hoosiers, both lighter and stickier (2 seconds per lap). If you want longevity, use the Kumho Victoracers. STAY AWAY FROM THE ECSTA V700s. I cannot stress this enough.
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| ChrisReale |
Sep 16 2003, 04:20 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
I'm asking to enlighten myself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
I know a few people who like the Ecsta's. Have you had bad experience with them cording? |
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| porsche735 |
Sep 16 2003, 05:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 127 |
We went through 2 sets of the Ecstas. 2nd set was a replacement from Kumho. They were less sticky than the Victoracers and wore out in 1/2 the time. They got greasy right off both in shaved and unshaved. EVERYONE I have talked to that has used them has had the same experience. Maybe the experience is different in autocross, but I doubt it. Run away!!!!
Not a pretty picture is it? Chris Attached image(s) 
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| TeamAxisRacing |
Sep 16 2003, 05:51 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 13-September 03 From: seattle, Wa Member No.: 1,153 |
wow thats a nice looking tire you got there (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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| porsche735 |
Sep 16 2003, 05:52 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 189 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 127 |
Handles as well as it looks.....
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| VegasRacer |
Sep 16 2003, 09:06 PM
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ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,625 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(ChrisReale @ Sep 16 2003, 02:11 PM) I might spring for a set of Hoosiers after my VRacers wear out. Make sure that the Hoosiers will fit under your fenders. The same tire size Hoosiers are not the same real size as the Victoracers. |
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| campbellcj |
Sep 16 2003, 09:18 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,575 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California
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FWIW I am not super fond of the Ecsta's either (this is my first and probably last set) but I have had no real "problems" with them i.e. cording or blistering. They do however sometimes feel greasy and squirmy after 10 minutes of lapping or so, and just do not seem as stable or predictable as the Hoosiers. I used to run Yoko A008RS's and liked them better too. These Ecsta's have been on the car since January and have seen about half a dozen track events plus a handful of canyon drives. They are not dead yet but one more event will probably do it.
Actually I had a blowout (sidewall separation) on a Victoracer on my last car -- this was in 2001 -- and so I guess overall I am just not a big Kumho fan. I run Hoosiers on my "serious" track wheels and might try the Michelin Cup next, on my new 3rd set. |
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| EdwardBlume |
Sep 16 2003, 09:48 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California
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I'm thinking of going back to the Victos. I like the number of AXs I got out of them (7), they grip well, but they are noticably heavier. I've heard great things about the Hoosiers but I couldn't get my recent set dialed in, and I plowed my way into flat spot frustration.
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| J P Stein |
Sep 17 2003, 02:33 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
GRM had a tiar test a while back. IIRC, 205 X 50X 15s, Hoosiers were one pound lighter than the Kumhos.....doan remember if they were Vracers or
Ecstwhatevers. The AX hoosiers were .2 sec quicker on a 40 sec course.....Neon test car. Anyhow, I'm told that Kuhmo is comming out with a new R spec tiar. I know a guy that gets them fer free (I think)....he finished 7th in SS at Topeka this year. BTW, a Beemer won FP at the SCCA AX finals this year. A 914 was 3rd........rats. A quick peek at the effin' rule book supplies the reasons. |
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