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> v8 t-stat, what else should i check
smrz914
post Dec 25 2003, 06:55 PM
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So i took my t-stat out and put 3 1/8" holes in it. Anything i can/should chech while i'm in there?
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post Dec 26 2003, 12:29 AM
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[QUOTE]260 is too damn hot! Is this the way it has always run or a recent problem? [/QUOTE]

It's never been that high untill recently. I was always able to keep some controle over it. I was never happy with it's function but it was at least drivable before.

[QUOTE]So you have high operating temp. at idle as well as at highway speed? Just so we are clear on what you call hot........do you see 260F in both situations? If you start car and just let idle, will it reach same high temp. as while on highway?[/QUOTE]

It always gets really hot, unless I have forward motion and i let it idle, i.e. car is HOT and i'm on the freeway and I coast for a little while and then get back on the gas the temp will shoot down to 180-190 and then start climbing again.

[QUOTE]I would move expansion tank to engine bay and mount as high as possible. This will help eliminate air entering system during cool down. The long length of hose to rear trunk and its low mounting position is not the desired setup.[/QUOTE]

The expantion tank is right up against the engine/trunk wall and wouldn't get much higher if it were in the engine compartment. I would say that the bottom of the tank is at about the same level as the bottom of the intake.

I don't think I have any more wall space for it in the engine bay.

[QUOTE]This is not the proper way to purge air from cooling system and may be the root cause of your high operating temps.[/QUOTE]

I will try the procedure when I put the car back together tomorrow.

[QUOTE]Who's water pump are you using? Since you didn't have bleed holes in your thermostat, there is a chance you damaged impeller if rpm exceeded 2-3000 before t/s opened.

(QUOTE) Interesting because my first one from Renegade hit the fan (one of the impeller blades came off so I went to my FLAPS and they found me a replacement out of steel and not aluminum. The pump is a suspect being that the shaft that connects the pully and the impeller might be slipping.

[QUOTE]Hmmmmm.......the first damaged impeller was most likely caused by not having bleed holes in thermostat and running engine above 2-3000 rmp before t/s opened. Since you just drilled holes in your t/s, you may have performed the same damage again to new impeller. Unless you measured your old impeller with the new one, I would question if the clearances (impeller to water pump housing) are the same. If they are not, the water pump will not work as designed. Go after this last since it is the hardest of what I'm asking you to do.[/QUOTE]

My thoughts as well. and i'll check all the hoses tomorrow before I put the t/s housing back in b/c it takes up lots of room.

[QUOTE]I'd still like to see recent pics of your installation as it would be more benefical than a brief description.[/QUOTE]

I need to get a hold of camera and a faster internet connection I only have 56k at my moms place. I'll keep you posted.

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[QUOTE]1. Have you altered the timing lately? [/QUOTE]

No

[QUOTE]2. Changed air/fuel ratio? Both can effect cooling temperature.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I leaned it out one step to what the carb came as (edelbrock 600) I originally riched it out b/c it had no top end, but my actual problem was the the butterflies were not opening all the way. Different story.

[QUOTE]3. Your method of measuring water temperature is not correct. Since water flows from water pump to block, then to heads and then intake, the desired probe location would be intake. Your 260F reading might be higher than what your seeing now.[/QUOTE]

I know it's a future change as soon as I find a good way of measuring the temp at the radiator.

[QUOTE]4. What are you using to measure temperature? I've seen false readings caused by $10 gauges. Does your engine have that \"I'm hot\" smell after a highway run? If you are really running 260F, you should be able to smell it and even hear some weird sounds when engine is shutdown. [/QUOTE]

I can imagine the smell but it's not there or i'm use to it. I'll have to check the gauge accuracy. It's a VDO guage and wasn't cheep.
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smrz914   v8 t-stat   Dec 25 2003, 06:55 PM
Brad Roberts   Use a good Fel-Pro gasket (blue one that can be re...   Dec 25 2003, 06:59 PM
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boxstr   Paul Have you tried the thermostat that John Thoma...   Dec 25 2003, 08:41 PM
John2kx   Paul, I saw your similar post over on porchev. I...   Dec 25 2003, 08:51 PM
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boxstr   Correct you are. CCLIN914-8   Dec 25 2003, 09:59 PM
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rick 918-S   When to temp gauge gets up to 260 does the cap rel...   Dec 25 2003, 10:41 PM
Mueller   blown head gasket??? Paul, I have a snap-on rad/c...   Dec 25 2003, 10:55 PM
John2kx   (QUOTE) My gauge shows above 260 and this is taken...   Dec 25 2003, 10:59 PM
John2kx   Sorry for the mess guys........this was my first a...   Dec 25 2003, 11:05 PM
rick 918-S   You can go back and edit out what you don't wa...   Dec 25 2003, 11:07 PM
boxstr   John You got your point across. Good job. CCLIN914...   Dec 25 2003, 11:24 PM
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John2kx   Paul, It appears you have not been using the righ...   Dec 26 2003, 12:07 AM
John2kx   adf   Dec 26 2003, 12:07 AM
John2kx   I doubt your water pump impeller is slipping on sh...   Dec 26 2003, 12:09 AM
John2kx   let's try that again   Dec 26 2003, 12:10 AM
smrz914   It's never been that high untill recently. I...   Dec 26 2003, 12:29 AM
smrz914   Did i use to many quotes? quotes are not coming up...   Dec 26 2003, 12:31 AM
steve@ottosvenice.com   One way to make sure all the air is out of the sys...   Dec 26 2003, 12:35 AM
smrz914   ok i'm moving the expantion tank and getting s...   Dec 26 2003, 12:36 AM
John2kx   Paul, Since your car ran fine until recently, I w...   Dec 26 2003, 03:39 AM
smrz914   John i've had 3 radiator caps in the car all a...   Dec 26 2003, 04:59 PM
Brad Roberts   Keep us up to date Paul. I was away from the compu...   Dec 27 2003, 11:16 PM
smrz914   So I put the car back together and bled it without...   Dec 28 2003, 07:34 PM
Brad Roberts   Yes. Get the pressure checker from Mueller. Do you...   Dec 28 2003, 07:42 PM
smrz914   Mueller i'm sending an e-mail... Brad I have ...   Dec 28 2003, 07:54 PM
Brad Roberts   John pointed out that you need to get *some* heat ...   Dec 28 2003, 07:56 PM
John2kx   Paul, I take it you test drove the car and still ...   Dec 28 2003, 08:11 PM
Brad Roberts   Hum.. he is measuring the water temp at its hottes...   Dec 28 2003, 08:17 PM
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smrz914   I have to move the temp gauge pickup to the tip of...   Dec 28 2003, 09:07 PM
John2kx   Brad............I understood that his temp. probe ...   Dec 28 2003, 11:10 PM
smrz914   I use to use a combination of bleeding from the pe...   Dec 28 2003, 11:57 PM
Brad Roberts   Depending on what fans you have mounted.. they can...   Dec 29 2003, 12:01 AM
smrz914   It get's hot standing still as well. Doesn...   Dec 29 2003, 12:07 AM
John2kx   Paul, As a reference, my fans turn on at 179.6F a...   Dec 29 2003, 03:15 AM
smrz914   Oh it doesn't matter when the fans turn on it ...   Dec 29 2003, 03:12 PM
smrz914   I checked the spark plugs and they look really goo...   Dec 30 2003, 08:49 PM
John2kx   Time to try another gage.   Dec 31 2003, 02:18 AM
smrz914   what is the guage going to do? The car is boiling ...   Dec 31 2003, 02:24 AM
Brad Roberts   Paul, where are you located ?? I need to deliver ...   Dec 31 2003, 04:25 AM
John2kx   Paul, I didn't know you were boiling over.......   Dec 31 2003, 10:34 AM
smrz914   brad- I'm in lafayette, east bay, close to wal...   Jan 1 2004, 07:18 PM


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