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post Jun 3 2008, 11:56 PM
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We received a CD with the best they can come up with in the past 6 months. I broke down the sounds in print. There was no supporting documentation which set any db levels so I guess it wasn't pointing in there favor..
Here is the brake-down.
Yes its really this petty! what a joke!
This is the nuts evidence, seems to me to help my case!


Sounds newest to oldest

4/30/08 Wednesday morning at 10:10 am, 15 seconds using circular saw / wood (blade is dull)
4/30/08 Wednesday morning at 9:31 am 1 min 45 seconds car leaving garage ? Maybe I forgot my garage remote?
4/18/08 Friday morning 9:16 am 37 seconds circular saw / cutting wood
4/13/08 Sunday afternoon 5:11 PM 25 seconds circular saw / cutting wood
3/8/08 Sunday morning at 11:43 am 15 seconds sander
3/8/08 Sunday Morning at 10:26 am 6 seconds sander
2/29/08 Friday morning at 10:13 am 6 seconds hammer
2/29/08 Friday morning at 10:11 10 seconds ? Its likely a noise made by others while my garage door was open. It sounds like two sounds, one from my garage and one from the outside. The louder sound isn't mine.. ?
2/18/08 Monday morning 9: 51 am 19 seconds gig-saw cutting sheet metal
2/18/08 Monday morning 9:50 am 8 seconds gig-say cutting sheet metal
2/18/08 Monday morning 9:37 am 13 seconds Hammer
2/16/08 Saturday morning 8:04 am ?? 1minute 30 seconds car running in front of my carport and driving away.
2/14/08 Thursday afternoon 12:45 P.M. 50 seconds of car and train while leaving garage?
2/13/08 Wednesday morning ? 7:02 am ? 57 seconds idling in front of my carport and driving away is my guess
1/10/08 Thursday morning 8:03 am 58 seconds driving out of garage
1/10/08 Thursday morning 9:22 am 21 seconds moving tools and equipment out of garage.
1/10/08 Thursday afternoon 3:31 P.M. 20 seconds entering garage in car and some other noise outside my garage in the street ?
12/14/07 Friday morning 8:19 am 14 seconds shop vacuum cleaning car and garage. A/O left for work
12/13/07 Thursday morning 11:59 am 10 seconds hammer
12/13/07 Thursday morning 11:54 am 15 seconds hammer
Ted my friend thinking he's funny and doesn't see the seriousness of the situation!
12/11/07 Tuesday afternoon 2:45 P.M. Ted pounding some aluminum flat to a tune
12/11/07 Tuesday afternoon 3:50 P.M. Ted pounding more aluminum flat to a tune
12/4/07 Tuesday morning 9:49 am 6 seconds hammer
11/26/07 Monday morning 10:37 am 18 seconds Gardeners equipment W/ garage door open?
11/23/07 Friday morning 10:31 am 35 seconds I can't say what that is !
11/23/07 Friday morning 10:11 am 25 seconds I can't say what that is!
11/20/07 Tuesday afternoon 2:42 P.M. 12 seconds hammer
11/20/07 Tuesday afternoon 12:03 10 seconds hammer
11/20/07 Tuesday morning 10:10 am 15 seconds hammer
11/18/07 Sunday afternoon 4: 54 P.M. 8 seconds driving away from car port ?
11/14/07 Wednesday morning 10:07 8 seconds hammer
11/5/07 Monday morning 9:45 am 8 seconds sander I think there may be 2 or 3 entry's for 11/5/07 @ 9:45 am listed at the same time but not sure
10/29/07 Monday afternoon 1:53 P.M. 12 seconds hammer
10/24/07 Wednesday morning 7:56 am 7 seconds sander
Two listings for this date and time
#1. 10/24/07 Wednesday 7:49 am 6 seconds of a sander
#2. 10/24/07 Wednesday 7:49 am 32 seconds Vacuum ?
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post Jun 5 2008, 06:07 PM
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ok dude, i'm no lawyer. just an electrician and i rarely post

but...

aren't you really talking some constitutional shite here
something to do with due process
freedom of expression thing
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness thing


is she willing to compensate you for diminished value/time of your place?


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post Jun 5 2008, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(carambola @ Jun 5 2008, 05:07 PM) *

ok dude, i'm no lawyer. just an electrician and i rarely post

but...

aren't you really talking some constitutional shite here
something to do with due process
freedom of expression thing
life liberty and the pursuit of happiness thing


is she willing to compensate you for diminished value/time of your place?


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From what I understand, this is in a condo complex with an active homeowners assn. There are CC&R's which restrict certain types of activities, which were agreed to in writing by the owner of this condo. By the wording in the Preliminary Injunction, there appear to be common walls, so that the inside wall of one unit directly connnects to the inside wall of another unit. Any loud sounds can possibly be directly tranmitted through the walls to the other unit.

This is really not a good place to have a restoration garage. The CC&R's seem to favor the plaintiff. Additionally, condo buyers many times ensure there are restrictive CC&R's so that just such an auto repair shop (or other activity), with it's inherant noise, does not open inside the condo next door.

As much as I feel bad that this situation exists, I wonder how realistic it is to expect a judge to rule against the homeowner assn and their contractual CC&R's. Additionally, since the homeowners assn has already ruled against our friend, the judge would be invalidating the ability of the homeowner's Assn to provide self rule and would possibly be setting a precedent that all homeowner assn's did not have the legal authority to enforce the codes upon which each homeowner contractually agreed upon. This seems to be pretty heady stuff for which the judge to agree.

The Constitution is a very strong argument, until you willingly sign away certain rights as a pre-condition to live in this development. Due-process? You're seeing it in the homeowner assn hearing and this preliminary hearing. Freedom of expression? Sure, within the bounds of community acceptance. Pursuit of happiness? That's a tough one to win on...

Anyway, I hope I am proven wrong, but time and time again, the homeowner assn tends to win these arguments...
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drive-ability   crazy neighbor / Quick update noise law suit   Jun 3 2008, 11:56 PM
championgt1   UNREAL!!! Best your neighbor can come ...   Jun 4 2008, 12:06 AM
Zaney   Sounds like someone is coo-coo for Coco-puffs...   Jun 4 2008, 12:08 AM
ConeDodger   The car is still miles away right?   Jun 4 2008, 12:16 AM
messix   Christ! are you kidding me! i've got ...   Jun 4 2008, 12:20 AM
orange914   thats total insanity!!! over 6months a...   Jun 4 2008, 12:31 AM
dw914er   this is normal garage stuff. Home improvement. y...   Jun 4 2008, 12:55 AM
hcdmueller   rancid playing a live show in the garage I woul...   Jun 4 2008, 01:25 AM
bryanc   :agree: ridiculous. So, to play devils advocate ...   Jun 4 2008, 02:07 AM
BarberDave   :trophy: WHAT THE HELL!!!!...   Jun 4 2008, 04:38 AM
degreeoff   Jeez I would be out with a hammer on the running s...   Jun 4 2008, 07:42 AM
TeenerTim   I agree most of it is very petty but I think sandi...   Jun 4 2008, 08:07 AM
ericread   YOU BASTARD!!! :shoot2kill: Terror...   Jun 4 2008, 08:23 AM
hcdmueller   I don't see how any of this could really be co...   Jun 4 2008, 08:36 AM
URY914   What about keyborad noise from typing your posts o...   Jun 4 2008, 08:36 AM
carr914   You noisy Bastard! "while my garage door...   Jun 4 2008, 09:34 AM
URY914   1/10/08, Thursday afternoon, 1:30pm, 2.2 seconds, ...   Jun 4 2008, 09:41 AM
rhodyguy   noting that the majority of the time stamps occur ...   Jun 4 2008, 09:47 AM
dw914er   6/4/08 wednesday morning 7:45 67 sec heard his pl...   Jun 4 2008, 09:52 AM
drive-ability   Yes its nuts Any of the early morning sounds com...   Jun 4 2008, 10:16 AM
dinomium   If she WANTs to know what noise pollution is, I ca...   Jun 4 2008, 10:26 AM
carr914   Geez I only saw a couple of items that were before...   Jun 4 2008, 10:37 AM
Rob Ways   :popcorn: :popcorn: You know what this is all b...   Jun 4 2008, 10:42 AM
effutuo101   I still think that her recording equipment is an i...   Jun 4 2008, 11:17 AM
sean_v8_914   do you have hard wood floors?...30 seconds of vacu...   Jun 4 2008, 11:19 AM
Travis Neff   She needs to be enrolled in the turd of the month ...   Jun 4 2008, 11:53 AM
rhodyguy   $1 says when you go to court and the oppositi...   Jun 4 2008, 12:07 PM
drive-ability   I broke down the times when she would be at work k...   Jun 4 2008, 02:33 PM
ericread   I just don't see her lawyer, who is a fr...   Jun 4 2008, 02:46 PM
byndbad914   I just don't see her lawyer, who is a friend ...   Jun 4 2008, 05:55 PM
So.Cal.914   Oh they can spout a lot of crap, there good at i...   Jun 4 2008, 02:46 PM
Spoke   What? No sound clips of the beast with 2 backs on ...   Jun 4 2008, 03:19 PM
ericread   Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Be vewy vewy qwie...   Jun 4 2008, 03:23 PM
carr914   I just don't see her lawyer, who is a friend o...   Jun 4 2008, 04:03 PM
bryanc   They can spout out crap, because they are all fu...   Jun 4 2008, 04:12 PM
Dr Evil   6/03/08 - 438 sec of moaning, funky bass and what ...   Jun 4 2008, 04:10 PM
drive-ability   The funny thing is my dog can bark for a straight ...   Jun 4 2008, 04:57 PM
effutuo101   $1 says when you go to court and the opposit...   Jun 4 2008, 06:15 PM
kart54   I am a southern California lawyer and I have to sa...   Jun 4 2008, 06:33 PM
URY914   OK, let the lawyer jokes begin...   Jun 4 2008, 06:49 PM
RJMII   OK, let the lawyer jokes begin... Know the di...   Jun 4 2008, 09:10 PM
effutuo101   Oh and for all of you that don't like lawyers...   Jun 4 2008, 09:45 PM
(*)(*)   Hmmmm, you outta hear MY house at 6am.....four wom...   Jun 4 2008, 10:23 PM
drive-ability   Here it is, Yes a joke! We are going to co...   Jun 4 2008, 11:24 PM
Rotary'14   Here it is, Yes a joke! We are going to c...   Jun 5 2008, 11:06 AM
drive-ability   OCS re: Preliminary Injunction: GRANT in part ...   Jun 5 2008, 01:03 PM
So.Cal.914   There is no Just Us. :(   Jun 5 2008, 12:46 AM
Jake Raby   I have been in Orange county all week.. I forgot h...   Jun 5 2008, 01:04 AM
dw914er   *****pardon my french**** but that is the bigges...   Jun 5 2008, 01:11 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   That is seriously fuct. They are impeding your rig...   Jun 5 2008, 01:37 AM
rhodyguy   i could not live in the situation you're endur...   Jun 5 2008, 10:07 AM
rhodyguy   so..weekdays only between 8:30 to noon and 2 to 4?...   Jun 5 2008, 11:14 AM
ericread   :popcorn: I'm really lookng forward to seein...   Jun 5 2008, 01:16 PM
dbgriffith75   Wow dude.... WOW! Sorry you've got to put...   Jun 5 2008, 02:09 PM
rhodyguy   are there any contractors currently working in you...   Jun 5 2008, 03:36 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I think he is saying that she is at work during th...   Jun 5 2008, 04:11 PM
kart54   SOOooo, The hearing was this morning what was th...   Jun 5 2008, 04:21 PM
carambola   ok dude, i'm no lawyer. just an electrician an...   Jun 5 2008, 06:07 PM
ericread   ok dude, i'm no lawyer. just an electrician a...   Jun 5 2008, 09:38 PM
JRust   I didn't hear anything about it being a Condo....   Jun 5 2008, 10:01 PM
ericread   I didn't hear anything about it being a Condo...   Jun 5 2008, 10:35 PM
effutuo101   For some reason I thought he lived in a house and ...   Jun 5 2008, 10:13 PM
drive-ability   The ruling stands but gives me from 8:30 to 12:30 ...   Jun 5 2008, 11:54 PM
championgt1   Sucks you have to go through this. Whatta bunch of...   Jun 6 2008, 12:00 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Man, I'm sorry to hear that. That sucks. So do...   Jun 6 2008, 12:05 AM
drive-ability   Man, I'm sorry to hear that. That sucks. So d...   Jun 6 2008, 12:11 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Pacific North West ;)   Jun 6 2008, 12:29 AM
dw914er   naw, go to Yucaipa down in the inland empire. My n...   Jun 6 2008, 12:33 AM
carr914   After you sell your place, let us know her name, a...   Jun 6 2008, 08:54 AM
(*)(*)   I would bet that you would have to disclose the nu...   Jun 6 2008, 09:45 AM
rhodyguy   a crazy neighbor is not an issue with the structur...   Jun 6 2008, 09:53 AM
ericread   a crazy neighbor is not an issue with the structu...   Jun 6 2008, 10:54 AM
Heeltoe914   Well look at the bright side you now are going out...   Jun 6 2008, 10:59 AM
brer   ok, now i feel inadequate.   Jun 6 2008, 11:04 AM
ericread   WOW! Looks like a great place to live!...   Jun 6 2008, 11:05 AM
Heeltoe914   Did I forget the miles and miles of winding roads?   Jun 6 2008, 11:11 AM
So.Cal.914   Your NSX buddies, that must be fun. Maybe next swa...   Jun 6 2008, 11:45 AM
drive-ability   I think its a good idea to disclose everything, h...   Jun 6 2008, 02:12 PM
BKLA   Just wondering after reading this thread... 1. fi...   Jun 6 2008, 02:37 PM
JRust   If you do move I would drive by her house every fu...   Jun 6 2008, 03:13 PM
drive-ability   One of my thoughts is she's going to start com...   Jun 6 2008, 04:46 PM


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