The new 911 s/Carerra, OT, but I need to vent |
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The new 911 s/Carerra, OT, but I need to vent |
Pat Garvey |
Aug 17 2008, 09:40 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Ok, this is my 3000th post. I saved this one because of how Porsche has delivered us "stalwarts" to unneccesary and even "backwoods".
Those of us who own classic 911's and 914's do most of our own work. Why, because the cars are relatively simple. Buy some books & tools - you can do most anything. About 10 years ago Porsche lost me. They became too complicated to handle for a mere bean counter. Just recently, I read an article about a 30 year member of PCA who bought a Cayman S,took it to the PCA Parade, and didn't know how to make the engine compartment visible for concours judging (He f_ing won!). Of course it was brand new! Wow, what a devastating win! My point is - Porsches have become too complicated. Am I a fogey - bet your ass! I don't want 300 dollar oil changes & transmission complexities that are meant for the track. I want relative simplicity. I'm pushing retirement (well, actually I retired 5 years ago). I envisioned a 914/6GT or a 911RS as my retirement present to myself. or, just maybe a GT2. They've all priced themselves to levels that I don't want to commit to. May still happen. But, my biggest problem is that Porsche, in my opinion is NOT Porcshe anymore They want us to "lease" every 4-5 years . The current management does not care about the Porscephiles that made them successful. They are not much different than GM or Ford. Yes, Porsche makles an excellent car, but one that any idiot can drive well. Everything that made a Porsche a car to be mastered has been removed/replaced by electronics. Porsche is way too concerned with making money ( I wouldn't bitch if I could only buy some stock) and taking control of VW (why?) Shouldn't they me trying for another entry level Porsche? Say, something around $28K, that an idiot like me could maintain? Nope, they've sold us out! Yep, I'm pissed! Pat ps: Happy 3000th post to me! |
Brett W |
Aug 21 2008, 11:44 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,858 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None |
I don't know about you guys but I see this from another stand point. I hate old Porsches, they have carbs and distributors with points, heaters that ain't worth a dang, tops that leak and so forth and so on. But I do like the look of old Porsches. You can't beat them. Now I love me some modern computer controlled engine systems and chassis engineering. Modern sticky tires, street cars that will easily pull over 1G on the skid pad, etc.
Porsche is in business to make money. Why else are you in business? They make money by selling a lifestyle. That lifestyle does not include changing spark plugs and tweaking the carbs on their product. It is wealthy individuals with plenty of disposable income. That is what they have chosen to market their product to. Porsche engines are really not that impressive. They don't make that much power and obviously aren't even that durable anymore. I mean look at the failures of the new watercooled motors. Lets even look at the failures of the earlier aircooled motors. How about oil leaks, pulled head studs, failed tensioners, dropped seats, etc. If you look at the Japanese motors compared to anything Porsche offers it is night and day different. Call it boring if you want but the Honda B, C, F, H and K series engines are built better than any Porsche motor outside of the GT1. Any Lexus Motor trumps anything Porsche has on the road as far as reliabilty and quality of engineering. Sorry the Germans just don't have what Germans used to have. They have been surpassed by the Japanese and even the Americans in some cases. Lets see a Porsche go 264K original miles like my Accord has with the AC still blowing snow. The Porsche will die a horrible death. The motor will grenade and the electrics will crap out. |
thomasotten |
Aug 22 2008, 08:36 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,553 Joined: 16-November 03 From: San Antonio, Texas Member No.: 1,349 |
Porsche is in business to make money. Why else are you in business? Herein lies the problem with modern times. Everyone is just out to "make money". That is why you have so few true "craftsmen" anymore. What about your true calling? Do we raise our kids to gro up and "make money" or do we want them to pursue their vocation, or dreams? I decry the disposable lifestyles that is pushed upon us, and I think Porsche has embraced this. It used to be the family car was part of the family in American culture, now it is changed out every few years. Disposable is ok for things like toilet paper, but look at how many houses are built today with the disposable mindset - and think long term what does that do to community! Porsche used to really inspire me, because it was built on engineering - and tradition. |
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