The new 911 s/Carerra, OT, but I need to vent |
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The new 911 s/Carerra, OT, but I need to vent |
Pat Garvey |
Aug 17 2008, 09:40 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Ok, this is my 3000th post. I saved this one because of how Porsche has delivered us "stalwarts" to unneccesary and even "backwoods".
Those of us who own classic 911's and 914's do most of our own work. Why, because the cars are relatively simple. Buy some books & tools - you can do most anything. About 10 years ago Porsche lost me. They became too complicated to handle for a mere bean counter. Just recently, I read an article about a 30 year member of PCA who bought a Cayman S,took it to the PCA Parade, and didn't know how to make the engine compartment visible for concours judging (He f_ing won!). Of course it was brand new! Wow, what a devastating win! My point is - Porsches have become too complicated. Am I a fogey - bet your ass! I don't want 300 dollar oil changes & transmission complexities that are meant for the track. I want relative simplicity. I'm pushing retirement (well, actually I retired 5 years ago). I envisioned a 914/6GT or a 911RS as my retirement present to myself. or, just maybe a GT2. They've all priced themselves to levels that I don't want to commit to. May still happen. But, my biggest problem is that Porsche, in my opinion is NOT Porcshe anymore They want us to "lease" every 4-5 years . The current management does not care about the Porscephiles that made them successful. They are not much different than GM or Ford. Yes, Porsche makles an excellent car, but one that any idiot can drive well. Everything that made a Porsche a car to be mastered has been removed/replaced by electronics. Porsche is way too concerned with making money ( I wouldn't bitch if I could only buy some stock) and taking control of VW (why?) Shouldn't they me trying for another entry level Porsche? Say, something around $28K, that an idiot like me could maintain? Nope, they've sold us out! Yep, I'm pissed! Pat ps: Happy 3000th post to me! |
Racer |
Aug 22 2008, 05:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 787 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Northern Virginia Member No.: 1,073 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I love this thread for the passion and debate it stirs in me. Yes, I hate the new cars.. but at the same time I love them. Yes I wish they were all aircooled and simple to maintain. Then I drive one and appreciate how fantastic a watercooled 911/Boxster is. Then I get intimidated about all the plastics and electronics.. Then I look at my 914, with its FI and think yeash... why so complicated!
I love the old cars for their sound and beautiful designs. I love the new cars for there sheer performance and brilliance. I've had the pleasure to grow up around and be offered to drive nearly ever porsche model from 356 to 997. They are all fantastic cars. I've enjoyed each cars driving experience. Some bemoan the lack of a "cheap" porsche. Others think a cheap one will hurt the "brand". Maybe Porsche will share a VW platform and motors and build a new "entry level car".. but why? Where is the profit for them? The 914-6 died due to poor economics... not because it was a bad car. A new 2.7 Boxster puts out 245hp and gets 28mpg highway. The vaunted '73RS 2.7 was rated at 210hp and didn't get 28mpg.. and it sure didn't run as cleanly either.. The 914 of 1970 was approx $4k. The Boxster of today is $45K. I imagine that, in real dollars, the price hasn't changed much. Gas was $.40 and now its $4. The house that was $20K is now $200K (or more?) The base Boxster is way more car than a base 914 ever was or could be. As for a 2000lb modern Porsche, it can't be done without extensive use of aluminum (or extreme cheapness, ala an economy car) and aluminum is VERY expensive to build with AND repair. Look at an Elise. a 5mph impact on either end of the car can be a $5K experience! Thanks for letting me ramble (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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