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sawtooth
post Aug 23 2008, 05:56 PM
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Wanted to start a build thread for my na suby conversion. The car is my newly acquired '73 2.0L fi. It is very clean, appearance group, 2nd owner, 88K. I currently use it as my daily driver.

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I want to do a suby conversion because I believe the overall package will have the performance, drivability, and dependability I'm looking for.

EDIT: I've changed motor selection slightly and am also taking a bigger plunge by going with a suby trans, see Post #49.
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post Aug 24 2008, 03:37 PM
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Attached ImageGood points made here. Not to keep things going , but just to throw in my point of view, I think Sawtooth should consider the point of selling the car and getting one that does not have as good mileage (cheaper), but the body is good, or frame 914 , and consider a couple of other things, as well. I have done a conversion on my car, and really enjoy it. It is definately worth NOT being a "contour" car, and all this value stuff.......well, maybe in another 30 years, because the only car collector enthusiasts that I have EVER heard about trying to find these 914s is ......us, 914 guys.( I wonder if Jay Leno has a 914 in his car collection....) But his (Sawtooth) car is immaculate stock from the start. Do you plan on modifying the body ? How about the interior ? Suspension, for sure, like said up above. If you are going to do these things, If it were me, after the experience I have had, (a good one) I would sell, the stock car, make a profit, (you already have a nice offer to put you ahead without having to wait for a buyer) and find a nice custom framed car, plan your COMPLETED project, and build off of the frame. You see, if you are going to change everything anyway, there simply is no need to keep this car, when you can make money off of it, buy one that is already stripped, and ready for modifications, for less money, or already done custom caged and all, and you will spend the same money anyways, but swapped a stock car for a custom chassis, without having to go throught the headache of having to sale all your individual pieces and parts !!! You might even want a tinted windshield. My point is , consider the overall project , not just the engine swap, to see if keeping this car is going to really benefit you in the long run, or are you really going to lose out on making some nice cash, finding another car you can take advantage of because you are doing a conversion, and be done with it. If you do a conversion, You are going to be adding torque to this car, that will twist the frame, you will need to add strength to the car, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) as well as time and money. Why not get a car that already is pretty much where you want to be, just needing your engine, and your custom touch, this will save lots of time and headaches ( with that being said, this is why I brought my conversion already done in another 914, and just swapped everything over to my 914, trust me , this made life so much easier !!!)....... This is just what I would do. Wish you the best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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post Aug 24 2008, 07:44 PM
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tron, that is an amazing looking car. And from one newby to another (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png)

I appreciate all the input. If I could get $8-9K as brant suggested I would have to consider it. But I don't think its a reality. The car is very clean but to get that kind of money it really needs minor rust work and paint. If I were paying that much for a 914 I'd expect it to have new paint.

The beauty of the NA suby conversion is that I'm not cutting up the car, if I ever wanted to take it back to stock it would be easy. Without the IC there's no need to cut the trunk. And I'm committed to making an engine bay radiator work, others have done it successfully. The only body change I would like to do is steel flares at some point, but that has nothing to do with the conversion and the six guys do it all the time.

The other factor is that it's important for me to start and end with a very clean car. That way I can be finished, and enjoying the car in months, not years. Clean stock interiors are also rare and fairly expensive to build. And this one has a great interior.

What should I be able to get if I sold the complete 2.0L plug-n-play setup, (engine, djet, wiring, exhaust, etc.)? From what I've been seeing $1K wouldn't be unreasonable. That reduces the difference in using a 2.0 car vs 1.8/1.7.
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sawtooth   the sawtooth build thread   Aug 23 2008, 05:56 PM
KELTY360   :wttc: Nice looking car. If it's as nice as ...   Aug 23 2008, 07:19 PM
zymurgist   I've got no problems with doing a suby conver...   Aug 24 2008, 08:47 AM
DBCooper   Could be, but how much less would a well converted...   Aug 23 2008, 08:12 PM
KELTY360   Could be, but how much less would a well converte...   Aug 23 2008, 08:59 PM
brant   pretty car neat project I kinda agree with the abo...   Aug 24 2008, 09:09 AM
DBCooper   Could be I guess, I don't pay attention to use...   Aug 24 2008, 09:37 AM
jasons   I'm not opposed to conversions, but your car l...   Aug 24 2008, 10:40 AM
DBCooper   Make him an offer...   Aug 24 2008, 11:22 AM
jasons   Make him an offer... LOL I already have a 73 2....   Aug 24 2008, 11:41 AM
DBCooper   Brant says $8-9K...   Aug 24 2008, 11:23 AM
KELTY360   OK, sure. Hey sawtooth - I'll give you ...   Aug 24 2008, 11:32 AM
jasons   FWIW I don't know how the original posters ca...   Aug 24 2008, 11:52 AM
DBCooper   That's crazy, those are prices that I've s...   Aug 24 2008, 12:45 PM
jasons   Anybody can ask anything, but what it's worth...   Aug 24 2008, 01:05 PM
DBCooper   What I know for sure, his car won't be stock ...   Aug 24 2008, 02:13 PM
jasons   But to call an end to this discussion, he said in...   Aug 24 2008, 02:18 PM
tronporsche   Good points made here. Not to keep things going , ...   Aug 24 2008, 03:37 PM
sawtooth   tron, that is an amazing looking car. And from one...   Aug 24 2008, 07:44 PM
jd74914   Sawtooth, Hopefully these guys didn't scare y...   Aug 24 2008, 07:45 PM
sawtooth   Sawtooth, Hopefully these guys didn't scare ...   Aug 24 2008, 08:55 PM
carreraguy   Sawtooth - FWIW , for obvious reasons I'm tota...   Aug 24 2008, 09:48 PM
sawtooth   Sawtooth - FWIW , for obvious reasons I'm tot...   Aug 29 2008, 03:28 PM
KELTY360   So I guess this means I won't get a screamin...   Aug 24 2008, 10:11 PM
brant   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K (...   Aug 24 2008, 11:01 PM
Sleepin   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K ...   Aug 24 2008, 11:21 PM
sawtooth   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K ...   Aug 25 2008, 07:41 PM
Sleepin   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K...   Aug 25 2008, 07:46 PM
sawtooth   [quote name='sawtooth' post='1071291' date='Aug 2...   Aug 25 2008, 08:55 PM
tronporsche   Sawtooth, please don't get me wrong, basically...   Aug 25 2008, 02:55 AM
tronporsche   So out of curiosity, do you have a final plan and ...   Aug 26 2008, 03:20 PM
sawtooth   So out of curiosity, do you have a final plan and...   Aug 29 2008, 12:22 AM
bfrymire   So out of curiosity, do you have a final plan an...   Aug 29 2008, 03:51 PM
charliew   Do the guys wanting to buy the motor realize you a...   Aug 30 2008, 11:02 PM
computers4kids   That appears to be a very nice 914 and for the pri...   Aug 30 2008, 11:23 PM
sawtooth   It's been a few months since my last update. T...   Dec 28 2008, 06:56 PM
pktzygt   I'm following your progress. I'm still con...   Dec 31 2008, 01:09 PM
Zaney   :bump: From one Suby guy to another... How goes...   Sep 23 2010, 02:07 PM
sawtooth   :bump: From one Suby guy to another... How goe...   Sep 23 2010, 02:45 PM
Britain Smith   When you say motor mount arms...are you talking ab...   Sep 23 2010, 03:00 PM
sawtooth   When you say motor mount arms...are you talking a...   Sep 23 2010, 03:34 PM
Hontec   Love the Subaru conversion, doing it myself, only ...   Sep 23 2010, 03:38 PM
sawtooth   Love the Subaru conversion, doing it myself, only...   Sep 23 2010, 03:47 PM
Hontec   Love the Subaru conversion, doing it myself, onl...   Sep 23 2010, 03:52 PM
charliew   Sequential tranny as in the new suby sequential tr...   Sep 24 2010, 01:11 PM
Hontec   Sequential tranny as in the new suby sequential t...   Sep 24 2010, 01:26 PM
charliew   If you are talking about the new suby sequential t...   Sep 24 2010, 01:56 PM
Hontec   If you are talking about the new suby sequential ...   Sep 24 2010, 02:55 PM
sawtooth   Back on the project. Since my last update I have d...   Nov 12 2010, 12:42 AM
strawman   Great project (from another Suby guy)! ...   Nov 12 2010, 10:50 AM
sawtooth   Great project (from another Suby guy)! In the...   Nov 12 2010, 11:33 AM
BIGKAT_83   Looking great... You have about the same size inl...   Nov 12 2010, 10:17 AM
sawtooth   Looking great... You have about the same size in...   Nov 12 2010, 10:21 AM
sawtooth   Got some more work done on the car. Engine cradle ...   Dec 11 2010, 09:27 PM
Hontec   Nice setup, but I have a question: I have the same...   Dec 12 2010, 03:42 AM
sawtooth   Yeah, mine look the same as yours. That'd be a...   Dec 12 2010, 07:04 PM
charliew   Nice work. A person here makes the spacers for the...   Dec 13 2010, 11:44 AM
sawtooth   Nice work. A person here makes the spacers for th...   Jan 18 2011, 03:11 PM
sawtooth   Made some more progress... - Refinished fuel tank ...   Jan 7 2011, 09:29 PM
sawtooth   Got to drive my car for the first time in over 2 y...   Feb 1 2011, 12:04 PM
Ferg   :worship: :trophy: Very Nice!   Feb 1 2011, 12:06 PM
BIGKAT_83   Looks real nice. You used a cable clutch? I guess ...   Feb 1 2011, 01:21 PM
sawtooth   Looks real nice. You used a cable clutch? I guess...   Feb 1 2011, 01:32 PM
charliew   For good info on the strengths of the VARIOUS suby...   Feb 1 2011, 01:39 PM
sawtooth   For good info on the strengths of the VARIOUS sub...   Feb 1 2011, 02:11 PM
sawtooth   After a quick break for some honey-do's and en...   Feb 1 2011, 02:28 PM
charliew   Actually you can probably just get the legacy inte...   Feb 1 2011, 02:45 PM
sawtooth   Actually you can probably just get the legacy int...   Feb 1 2011, 02:52 PM
JRust   I'm so much more excited reading your thread a...   Feb 1 2011, 09:03 PM
sawtooth   I'm so much more excited reading your thread ...   Feb 2 2011, 12:00 AM
charliew   Matt's been around a long time and is very kno...   Feb 2 2011, 04:58 AM
sawtooth   Matt's been around a long time and is very kn...   Feb 2 2011, 09:22 AM
draganc   Congratulations!! Great wotk and I’m gla...   Feb 2 2011, 09:39 AM
sawtooth   Congratulations!! Great wotk and I...   Feb 2 2011, 01:15 PM
draganc   ... man I wish I could take you for a drive. It h...   Feb 2 2011, 01:34 PM
bfrymire   Dean, How did you handle the ignitors for the coi...   Feb 2 2011, 08:20 PM
jd74914   How did you handle the ignitors for the coils? I...   Feb 2 2011, 08:37 PM
bfrymire   How did you handle the ignitors for the coils? ...   Feb 2 2011, 09:51 PM
sawtooth   Dean, How did you handle the ignitors for the co...   Feb 3 2011, 01:45 AM
bfrymire   Dean, How did you handle the ignitors for the c...   Feb 3 2011, 02:04 AM
sawtooth   [quote name='sawtooth' post='1426416' date='Feb 2...   Feb 3 2011, 02:10 AM
sawtooth   Here's a short clip of my son and I heading do...   Feb 5 2011, 01:35 AM
bfrymire   Great video! Loved it. And always liked that...   Feb 5 2011, 12:59 PM
sawtooth   Great video! Loved it. And always liked tha...   Feb 5 2011, 04:57 PM
charliew   Boy that sure is good motivation. Nice job. Most o...   Feb 5 2011, 09:29 AM
sawtooth   Boy that sure is good motivation. Nice job. Most ...   Feb 5 2011, 02:52 PM
computers4kids   Great video...love these kind of "in the driv...   Feb 5 2011, 09:56 AM
sawtooth   Great video...love these kind of "in the dri...   Feb 5 2011, 04:05 PM
JRust   Looks great! This is close to just what I want...   Feb 5 2011, 05:40 PM
Hontec   Great video! the sound alone is food for motiv...   Feb 6 2011, 02:12 PM
Zaney   Thanks for the motivation posts!!! I ...   Feb 6 2011, 03:42 PM
sawtooth   Thanks for the motivation posts!!! I...   Feb 6 2011, 10:07 PM
Eric_Shea   That's one cute passenger!   Feb 6 2011, 04:34 PM
sawtooth   That's one cute passenger! Yep she's...   Feb 6 2011, 09:53 PM
Britain Smith   Man...that is awesome! I can't wait to ge...   Feb 6 2011, 11:41 PM
Eric_Shea   I say we try to get a group site at Pine Flats Cam...   Feb 6 2011, 11:51 PM
sawtooth   I say we try to get a group site at Pine Flats Ca...   Feb 7 2011, 12:01 AM
a914622   Love the build. Im looking forward to starting min...   Feb 7 2011, 12:21 AM
sawtooth   Love the build. Im looking forward to starting mi...   Feb 7 2011, 11:08 AM
Eric_Shea   Yup. Great site. We can be river rats and rent ...   Feb 7 2011, 01:12 AM
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