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Someone pissed off Jake & Len, replicating LE heads |
davep |
Nov 25 2008, 02:07 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,195 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
a new thread on Air Cooled Technology:
http://forums.aircooledtechnology.com/show...23001#post23001 it was not a smart move on someones part. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
Jake Raby |
Nov 25 2008, 08:56 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
For the record:
I have never banned anyone from my Type 4 Store, matter of fact there is no way to do that through the software. I have banned people from m,y forum, when they broke my very specific rules. Thomas Bliznik is not banned from anything as far as I know, and **I** am the ONLY administrator. Now lets address this: QUOTE Ididn't either, but that won't go anywhere. Without a patent there's no "intellectual property" to protect. Absolutely incorrect. People that think this haven't spent the money and time on the topic that I have. The LE series heads are a branded component that is the intellectual property of HAM and RAT. These are components that are utilized to create engines and engine kits that are proprietary to our companies, these engines can't be patented. There is virtually no way to patent a port shape or process, not for us or anyone else. BUT these ports are branded and part of a pedigreed assembly that is recognized Internationally- all of these things matter in this case, just like they did with my DTM. I learned all about this in 2004 when someone got busted replicating my DTM. He **thought** that since the shroud wasn't patented that there was nothing I could do about it. I ran his ass underground and proved him very wrong. So, we'll let the legal staff do their part- they get paid very well for what they do because they are the best, boldest, most aggressive team of assholes I could find- they specialize in this and I keep them on retainer. At any rate, we take all of this seriously, some may call it drama, but they haven't ever worked their entire fucking life to achieve a goal only for some worthless son of a bitch to steal it. Unlike others in this Industry, Len and I are not retiring soon and we are continuing to carry forward momentum with everything we do. All we can do is constantly keep our eyes and ears open and do what we can to provide security for our developments. I take everything that happens under this roof seriously, nothing is more important to me and that includes family- thats not bullshit. |
DBCooper |
Nov 25 2008, 10:18 PM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Now lets address this: QUOTE Ididn't either, but that won't go anywhere. Without a patent there's no "intellectual property" to protect. Absolutely incorrect. People that think this haven't spent the money and time on the topic that I have. Incorrect? Don't think so, Jake. Part of my job is doing exactly that, and has been for the last twenty years. The LE series heads are a branded component that is the intellectual property of HAM and RAT. These are components that are utilized to create engines and engine kits that are proprietary to our companies, these engines can't be patented. There is virtually no way to patent a port shape or process, not for us or anyone else. BUT these ports are branded and part of a pedigreed assembly that is recognized Internationally- all of these things matter in this case, just like they did with my DTM. Then "branded" as you're using the word would mean trademarked, and that's also intellectual property, but totally different than a patented innovation. So are you talking about this fellow actually using the RAT trademark on his parts? If that's it, and you've registered that trademark, then you would have a case. I learned all about this in 2004 when someone got busted replicating my DTM. He **thought** that since the shroud wasn't patented that there was nothing I could do about it. I ran his ass underground and proved him very wrong. So, we'll let the legal staff do their part- they get paid very well for what they do because they are the best, boldest, most aggressive team of assholes I could find- they specialize in this and I keep them on retainer. Stromberg? Now THAT is something totally different. Sure, you can outspend someone else by showering them with lawsuits that everyone knows you would never win, but since it's so much cheaper for them to settle than to fight their counsel would suggest that they throw in the towel. That's legal bullying, and I guess you could call that a win if you like, but it's nothing to do with intellectual property or the merits of the case. At any rate, we take all of this seriously, some may call it drama, but they haven't ever worked their entire fucking life to achieve a goal only for some worthless son of a bitch to steal it. Unlike others in this Industry, Len and I are not retiring soon and we are continuing to carry forward momentum with everything we do. All we can do is constantly keep our eyes and ears open and do what we can to provide security for our developments. Then you need to file for patents on patentable innovations, but I'm sure your attorneys have already told you that. No patent, no trademark, then no intellectual property, and no basis for a lawsuit. Len's earlier post had better explanations for why no one will be able to copy your products, and that's the "unapparent" technologies and processes. It takes time, skill, and experience to put together that sort of package, and no one will be able to duplicate that with just a CNC machine. Reality check. Is there any real proof of any of this? Or is it all just hearsay and speculation? |
SirAndy |
Nov 26 2008, 12:10 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,815 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
No patent, no trademark, then no intellectual property False! I've been through this personally. You can have a valid claim for "intellectual property" without a patent or trademark. BTDT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
CliffBraun |
Nov 26 2008, 12:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 26-April 06 From: San Luis Obispo,ca Member No.: 5,933 Region Association: None |
No patent, no trademark, then no intellectual property False! I've been through this personally. You can have a valid claim for "intellectual property" without a patent or trademark. BTDT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well, not to really argue this, but I assume you're talking about copyright, which isn't anything close to the issue here. I also am curious about the fact that it now takes registration to view the original thread on Jake's site. I'm interested in more details, but do not really need another account. |
NineOneFour |
Nov 26 2008, 12:30 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 8,662 Region Association: Southern California |
No patent, no trademark, then no intellectual property False! I've been through this personally. You can have a valid claim for "intellectual property" without a patent or trademark. BTDT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well, not to really argue this, but I assume you're talking about copyright, which isn't anything close to the issue here. I also am curious about the fact that it now takes registration to view the original thread on Jake's site. I'm interested in more details, but do not really need another account. Not to worry, I went to register and recieved this message... "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
CliffBraun |
Nov 26 2008, 12:45 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 252 Joined: 26-April 06 From: San Luis Obispo,ca Member No.: 5,933 Region Association: None |
No patent, no trademark, then no intellectual property False! I've been through this personally. You can have a valid claim for "intellectual property" without a patent or trademark. BTDT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy Well, not to really argue this, but I assume you're talking about copyright, which isn't anything close to the issue here. I also am curious about the fact that it now takes registration to view the original thread on Jake's site. I'm interested in more details, but do not really need another account. Not to worry, I went to register and recieved this message... "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Yeah, this is the sort of behavior I don't really appreciate in a potential supplier. Oh, Andy, I didn't mean to say you were, just commenting to make it clear for people concerned about the legal aspect of this. I happen to have actually read current US copyright law. Edit: removed obvious snark. |
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