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> Vise Grip moves to China
stock93
post Dec 6 2008, 02:22 PM
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This pisses me off. I've bought a bunch of their pliers and really like most of them. I for one won't be buying them anymore. Now if I manage to break one they're going to give me a china made replacement. If anyone wants to send them feedback here's their page http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/contactUs.jhtml
I sent them a letter myself.

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For good or ill, we are a global economy. Businesses need to balance cost and quality against their target market.

The people that will buy quality no matter the cost is a small market, and already has good penetration.

The people that buy quality = cost are looking at Craftsman grade tools, and that market is still relatively small with good penetration by a few companies.

The majority of the market wants cheap tools that will only need to be used a handful of times. They are going to buy purely based on cost, and even then probably won't use the tool enough to wear it out or break it.

There is money to made selling tools, but the only markets that arn't saturated are the once selling to cost. You have one guess at where cost driven items are made.

Dismal? Maybe. Raising tariffs and closing borders would not be a good long term solution either though. For most consumers, it would not even be a good short term solution, as they are not interested in the quality products - they are buying on cost. Tariffs would raise their final cost, possibly putting American businesses out of business by removing their bread and butter items.

I've got several sets of vise-grips that are over 20 years old. The company has not made a dime off of me. If they want to stick around, they need to make a product that will sell to a cost point audience.

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stock93   Vise Grip moves to China   Dec 6 2008, 02:22 PM
URY914   Those guys need some hope and change fast. No mor...   Dec 6 2008, 03:24 PM
jd74914   I don't understand. My house has always used v...   Dec 6 2008, 03:30 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Letter sent. The market for used Vise Grip pliers...   Dec 6 2008, 04:39 PM
Garold Shaffer   I just sent a letter myself. Not that it will chan...   Dec 6 2008, 04:43 PM
Jake Raby   I just sent a letter myself. Not that it will cha...   Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM
Dr Evil   Poverty/unemployment <_<   Dec 6 2008, 05:51 PM
jimtab   Poverty/unemployment <_< Debt, doc....we...   Dec 7 2008, 02:58 AM
blitZ   Poverty/unemployment <_< corruption...   Dec 7 2008, 12:50 PM
markb   Letter sent. :angry: Anybody know of a good alt...   Dec 6 2008, 07:23 PM
carr914   letter sent to those commy bastards   Dec 6 2008, 07:36 PM
Al Meredith   I too have sent an email. I have worked for two co...   Dec 6 2008, 07:57 PM
LarryR   Man that sucks. I am glad I own about a half dozen...   Dec 6 2008, 07:58 PM
stock93   Thanks for the response guys. The only alternative...   Dec 6 2008, 08:17 PM
GeorgeRud   Unfortunately, it takes a while for these companie...   Dec 6 2008, 09:08 PM
brer   throw out everything in your house that says made ...   Dec 7 2008, 03:29 AM
byndbad914   throw out everything in your house that says made...   Dec 7 2008, 07:15 PM
dbgriffith75   These days that's just about everything.... ...   Dec 7 2008, 08:32 AM
byndbad914   Where should we spend our economic stimulus money...   Dec 8 2008, 08:58 PM
BMartin914   This bites... Anytime I need a set of Vise-Grips,...   Dec 7 2008, 08:42 AM
Porsche Rescue   What we are seeing with the "global" eco...   Dec 7 2008, 11:11 AM
stock93   Another thing related to this that really gets me ...   Dec 7 2008, 11:26 AM
greenie   I've spent my entire career in manufacturing, ...   Dec 7 2008, 12:13 PM
spare time toys   Sending this out on the AMFA union web. :flag1:   Dec 7 2008, 12:35 PM
turnaround89   My first tool set was made in China, broke almost ...   Dec 7 2008, 01:42 PM
SirAndy   ... The best tools are made here in the US, no do...   Dec 7 2008, 02:32 PM
URY914   Anyone remember a few years back when Stanley was ...   Dec 7 2008, 02:39 PM
Grelber   Since 1865, Klein Tools are still made in the USA ...   Dec 7 2008, 02:47 PM
URY914   Klein tools are top notch.   Dec 7 2008, 05:35 PM
scotty   Maybe Leatherman could buy the patent (or design a...   Dec 7 2008, 05:53 PM
jimtab   Maybe Leatherman could buy the patent (or design ...   Dec 7 2008, 11:05 PM
anderssj   CRAP! Why am I not surprised that Newell-Rubb...   Dec 7 2008, 09:04 PM
SGB   I'm even seeing "made in China" on ...   Dec 7 2008, 09:44 PM
brer   CRAP! Why am I not surprised that Newell-Rub...   Dec 8 2008, 02:28 AM
Maltese Falcon   Try to find anything in Costco NOT made on mainlan...   Dec 7 2008, 09:27 PM
turnaround89   Never heard of Stahlville before, looks like good ...   Dec 7 2008, 11:27 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Never heard of Stahlville before, looks like good...   Dec 8 2008, 12:00 AM
Wilhelm   If the quality becomes these: http://www.harborfr...   Dec 8 2008, 01:42 AM
carr914   I broke a 1/4 Craftsman ratchet last week. Took it...   Dec 8 2008, 02:28 AM
jkeyzer   Be happy they aren't moving to India.   Dec 8 2008, 02:32 AM
michaelmoo   Found this on the net: Craftsman tools came under ...   Dec 8 2008, 06:16 AM
MrKona   Also have you ever seen a list of part by countr...   Dec 8 2008, 10:30 AM
Vacca Rabite   For good or ill, we are a global economy. Busines...   Dec 8 2008, 09:44 AM
MrKona   Too bad Vise-Grip can't have two lines, like S...   Dec 8 2008, 10:35 AM
brer   I bought some valves for a 912 said Germany on the...   Dec 8 2008, 10:47 AM
SirAndy   I bought some valves for a 912 said Germany on th...   Dec 8 2008, 02:06 PM
Cap'n Krusty   What ever happened to all those fondue sets SNL wa...   Dec 8 2008, 02:12 PM
byndbad914   another societal issue that plays into this is tha...   Dec 8 2008, 03:30 PM
anderssj   So our kids are being raised with the mentality ...   Dec 8 2008, 03:45 PM
byndbad914   I'm kind of lucky there . . . both of my kids...   Dec 8 2008, 05:01 PM
turboman808   I'll tell you something funny along the lines ...   Dec 8 2008, 07:52 PM
tod914   Nate, is your china made in china?   Dec 8 2008, 08:41 PM
SirAndy   Nate, is your china made in china? :rotfl:   Dec 8 2008, 08:54 PM
turboman808   Nate, is your china made in china? HAHA The sa...   Dec 8 2008, 11:39 PM
beech4rd   I bought some valves for a 912 said Germany on th...   Dec 8 2008, 10:41 PM
URY914   I only buy US made stuff at garage sales.   Dec 9 2008, 07:32 AM
hcdmueller   What happens is these younger people get their pa...   Dec 9 2008, 09:08 AM


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