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stock93
post Dec 6 2008, 02:22 PM
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This pisses me off. I've bought a bunch of their pliers and really like most of them. I for one won't be buying them anymore. Now if I manage to break one they're going to give me a china made replacement. If anyone wants to send them feedback here's their page http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/contactUs.jhtml
I sent them a letter myself.

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another societal issue that plays into this is that we are becoming more and more wasteful - we are really becoming a throw away society.

A simple example is the current view regarding technology - I literally just ordered a new laptop last week because my "old" one I use all the time is 7yrs old now and was the "top of the line" everything whiz-bang business IBM Thinkpad that ULCA required me to have for my MBA. That machine is an absolute dinosaur now - I have a hard time viewing highly compressed YouTube stuff and other vid sites I actually can't even play the vid because the graphics card is "so" old for example.

So our kids are being raised with the mentality that anything that is over 5yrs old is just that... old. That ripples thru everything - it becomes a fundamental way of thinking. And people of my generation (Gen X, now we have Gen Y) are similar thinking now.

And that plays into tools. As previously stated by a fellow teener, many people barely use tools and will never wear out even the shittiest of tools. So, if the Chinese tool is 1/3 the cost, the view is "I can break three of these before I pay for one good one and I will never use it enough to break 3 of 'em" so they buy the disposable tool, break one after a couple years, throw it away and buy another and die before breaking it and buying a third one.

It is very wasteful, but cheaper overall and that is where our societal mentality is heading - being wasteful isn't a sin if it is cheaper. I, however, was raised by parents that were absolutely furious if the wash machine died within the first fifteen years of purchase - my shit-ass "whiz-bang" LG washer died in 2 yrs and the dryer has been having issues since just after the 1yr warranty but I can make work. That was $2500 worth of bitchin' technology that lasts THREE years. And I have been searching online to buy better and can't find it - Sears stuff is junk, Hell even the old standby of Maytag has become questionable since they were bought out.

In short, I am getting a shitty viewpoint on life which sucks, but frankly, we're fucked folks. It is only going downhill in terms of quality pretty much across the board.

Oh yeah, I am using a Maytag washer again that I bought used when I moved out for $50 and it was built sometime in the 60s or 70s. The guy I bought it from in the 90s bought them used when he moved out in the early 80s! In 30yrs of service including my years, the previous owner had replaced the belt on the washer and the heating element on the dryer. The dryer element burned out again which is why I bought new stuff. Thankfully I kept the old washer "just in case" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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stock93   Vise Grip moves to China   Dec 6 2008, 02:22 PM
URY914   Those guys need some hope and change fast. No mor...   Dec 6 2008, 03:24 PM
jd74914   I don't understand. My house has always used v...   Dec 6 2008, 03:30 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Letter sent. The market for used Vise Grip pliers...   Dec 6 2008, 04:39 PM
Garold Shaffer   I just sent a letter myself. Not that it will chan...   Dec 6 2008, 04:43 PM
Jake Raby   I just sent a letter myself. Not that it will cha...   Dec 8 2008, 07:33 PM
Dr Evil   Poverty/unemployment <_<   Dec 6 2008, 05:51 PM
jimtab   Poverty/unemployment <_< Debt, doc....we...   Dec 7 2008, 02:58 AM
blitZ   Poverty/unemployment <_< corruption...   Dec 7 2008, 12:50 PM
markb   Letter sent. :angry: Anybody know of a good alt...   Dec 6 2008, 07:23 PM
carr914   letter sent to those commy bastards   Dec 6 2008, 07:36 PM
Al Meredith   I too have sent an email. I have worked for two co...   Dec 6 2008, 07:57 PM
LarryR   Man that sucks. I am glad I own about a half dozen...   Dec 6 2008, 07:58 PM
stock93   Thanks for the response guys. The only alternative...   Dec 6 2008, 08:17 PM
GeorgeRud   Unfortunately, it takes a while for these companie...   Dec 6 2008, 09:08 PM
brer   throw out everything in your house that says made ...   Dec 7 2008, 03:29 AM
byndbad914   throw out everything in your house that says made...   Dec 7 2008, 07:15 PM
dbgriffith75   These days that's just about everything.... ...   Dec 7 2008, 08:32 AM
byndbad914   Where should we spend our economic stimulus money...   Dec 8 2008, 08:58 PM
BMartin914   This bites... Anytime I need a set of Vise-Grips,...   Dec 7 2008, 08:42 AM
Porsche Rescue   What we are seeing with the "global" eco...   Dec 7 2008, 11:11 AM
stock93   Another thing related to this that really gets me ...   Dec 7 2008, 11:26 AM
greenie   I've spent my entire career in manufacturing, ...   Dec 7 2008, 12:13 PM
spare time toys   Sending this out on the AMFA union web. :flag1:   Dec 7 2008, 12:35 PM
turnaround89   My first tool set was made in China, broke almost ...   Dec 7 2008, 01:42 PM
SirAndy   ... The best tools are made here in the US, no do...   Dec 7 2008, 02:32 PM
URY914   Anyone remember a few years back when Stanley was ...   Dec 7 2008, 02:39 PM
Grelber   Since 1865, Klein Tools are still made in the USA ...   Dec 7 2008, 02:47 PM
URY914   Klein tools are top notch.   Dec 7 2008, 05:35 PM
scotty   Maybe Leatherman could buy the patent (or design a...   Dec 7 2008, 05:53 PM
jimtab   Maybe Leatherman could buy the patent (or design ...   Dec 7 2008, 11:05 PM
anderssj   CRAP! Why am I not surprised that Newell-Rubb...   Dec 7 2008, 09:04 PM
SGB   I'm even seeing "made in China" on ...   Dec 7 2008, 09:44 PM
brer   CRAP! Why am I not surprised that Newell-Rub...   Dec 8 2008, 02:28 AM
Maltese Falcon   Try to find anything in Costco NOT made on mainlan...   Dec 7 2008, 09:27 PM
turnaround89   Never heard of Stahlville before, looks like good ...   Dec 7 2008, 11:27 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Never heard of Stahlville before, looks like good...   Dec 8 2008, 12:00 AM
Wilhelm   If the quality becomes these: http://www.harborfr...   Dec 8 2008, 01:42 AM
carr914   I broke a 1/4 Craftsman ratchet last week. Took it...   Dec 8 2008, 02:28 AM
jkeyzer   Be happy they aren't moving to India.   Dec 8 2008, 02:32 AM
michaelmoo   Found this on the net: Craftsman tools came under ...   Dec 8 2008, 06:16 AM
MrKona   Also have you ever seen a list of part by countr...   Dec 8 2008, 10:30 AM
Vacca Rabite   For good or ill, we are a global economy. Busines...   Dec 8 2008, 09:44 AM
MrKona   Too bad Vise-Grip can't have two lines, like S...   Dec 8 2008, 10:35 AM
brer   I bought some valves for a 912 said Germany on the...   Dec 8 2008, 10:47 AM
SirAndy   I bought some valves for a 912 said Germany on th...   Dec 8 2008, 02:06 PM
Cap'n Krusty   What ever happened to all those fondue sets SNL wa...   Dec 8 2008, 02:12 PM
byndbad914   another societal issue that plays into this is tha...   Dec 8 2008, 03:30 PM
anderssj   So our kids are being raised with the mentality ...   Dec 8 2008, 03:45 PM
byndbad914   I'm kind of lucky there . . . both of my kids...   Dec 8 2008, 05:01 PM
turboman808   I'll tell you something funny along the lines ...   Dec 8 2008, 07:52 PM
tod914   Nate, is your china made in china?   Dec 8 2008, 08:41 PM
SirAndy   Nate, is your china made in china? :rotfl:   Dec 8 2008, 08:54 PM
turboman808   Nate, is your china made in china? HAHA The sa...   Dec 8 2008, 11:39 PM
beech4rd   I bought some valves for a 912 said Germany on th...   Dec 8 2008, 10:41 PM
URY914   I only buy US made stuff at garage sales.   Dec 9 2008, 07:32 AM
hcdmueller   What happens is these younger people get their pa...   Dec 9 2008, 09:08 AM


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