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jonwatts
post Mar 27 2003, 12:07 AM
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Boo-hoo, Al Jazeera hit with DDOS attacks. Yahoo! News
I love the idea of a sweaty Iraqi IT guy pulling his hair out.

And here's an article with information on how to send troops email, care packages, and long-distance phone cards:
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74GoKart
post Mar 28 2003, 03:25 AM
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I agree that Saddam is a real fucker and should be taken out!!
He should have been taken out when he used to be best of buddies with our whole White House staff and supporting the world's weapon market.

"Powell condemned Saddam’s “use of mustard and nerve gas against the Kurds in 1988” that killed “Five thousand men, women and children.” True, but he did so with the blessing at the time of many Reaganites who now serve Bush — including Powell. In 1988, “Secretary of State Colin Powell was then the national security adviser who orchestrated Ronald Reagan’s decision to give Hussein a pass for gassing the Kurds,” says former U.S. Ambassador to Croatia, Peter Galbraith in the Boston Globe ( http://www.boston.com/globe/magazine/2002/...tire.htm)\"
Dennis Hans
Let's not forget Reagan’s special emissary to Baghdad, Donald Rumsfeld.

How about:

"Saddam Hussein's use of chemical weapons in the past is repeatedly cited by the US and British governments as justification for his removal from power now. But just what was their response to his use of poison gas against Iranian troops and Iraqi Kurds in the 1980s? Far from condemning his actions, they stepped up their support for Baghdad. One of the most damning revelations to come out of the Scott inquiry into the arms-to-Iraq affair was the British government's secret decision to supply Saddam with even more weapons-related equipment after he shelled the Kurdish town of Halabja in March 1988 with gas bombs, killing an estimated 5,000 civilians and maiming thousands more. Saddam said he had punished the Kurds for "collaboration" after the town had been successfully attacked by Iran. The weapons were produced with German-supplied chemicals.

This cynicism and hypocrisy was matched only by the US. Soon after the attack, Washington approved the export to Iraq of virus cultures and a $1bn contract to design and build a petrochemical plant the Iraqis planned to use to produce mustard gas. And while the Reagan administration condemned the use of chemical weapons during the eight-year Iraq-Iran war, US officers were secretly supplying Iraqi generals with bomb-damage assessments and detailed information on Iranian troop deployments.
"The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern," Walter Lang, a former senior US defense intelligence officer, told the New York Times this week. Washington was worried about the threat of Iran spreading its Islamic revolution to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia."
Richard Norton-Taylor
Wednesday August 21, 2002
The Guardian

But the war is not about oil? What do all of these people know the most about?

George W. Bush, 1978-84: senior executive, Arbusto Energy/Bush Exploration, an oil company; 1986-90: senior executive of the Harken oil company. Dick Cheney, 1995-2000: chief executive of the Halliburton oil company. Condoleezza Rice, 1991-2000: senior executive with the Chevron oil company, which named an oil tanker after her....Saddam sits on the second biggest oilfield in the world. America's economy depends on oil for: generating power to run factories, powering cars to get the workforce to those factories, and transporting goods produced by those workers in those factories We will not take their oil. Instead, we will help them rebuild their oil infrastructure along with their schools and hospitals. Bush has promised that they will be able to use their money from oil sales to pay for their nations reconstruction. The Bush administration has already picked companies to help Iraq do this..in a slightly unusual manner. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/World/i...ract030322.html We will not take their oil, but we will take their oil money...at least some of us will. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/28/...8653848780.html Is it also possible we will be more likely to get favorable trading for the oil we do need to buy after we go through all the trouble of helping them rebuild their country?

Of course, I would never suggest that anyone would try to use this whole Iraq situation to their advantage. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,...,918742,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...,924541,00.html
None of the companies that will benefit the most, or their stockholders, would ever try to influence national policy. (Don't even try to suggest something so ENRON-ish)
None of these people will ever be paid outrageous sums to give speeches or be an adviser later on down the road.

Nor would I suggest that having Uzbekistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan under new leadership that is US friendly would have ever been on our minds.
http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/uzbekistan.htm

It is true that Iraq is in violation of a much older UN resolution. I just think that it is mighty funny that nobody was in a hurry to deal with Iraq until we got the son of the man, who's war brought about the first resolution, in the driver's seat. Of course, it is all about disobeying a UN resolution. If this is true, why do we support Israel both politically and monetarily in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions? Is it about getting rid of an evil dictator? We can't stand evil dictators...except when we need them. Read up on Pakistan and Uzbekistan. For that matter, we killed off the Indians, we blew up nukes near our own troops to test the after effects, but there is no UN resolution for either one of those.

I will say once again..Yes, Saddam is BAD!! He probably has reserved parking in Hell. Just don't tell me how he is doing all this shit, and never show me the proof. Don't tell me that we know he has chemical and biological weapons, but leave out the part about how we helped him acquire them and finance him because he was needed at the time. Don't give me every reason but the truth in a long winded speech. It is in our best interest to have stable, American friendly governments in that area. Fine!
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jonwatts   [NPC] War Stories   Mar 27 2003, 12:07 AM
rick 918-S   Did you hear the Iraqi guy whining to the U.N. tod...   Mar 27 2003, 12:28 AM
vortrex   that UN guy is really annoying. I like how he sai...   Mar 27 2003, 01:27 AM
Brad Roberts   And people are protesting this war.... I dont get ...   Mar 27 2003, 01:39 AM
vortrex   I especially like how iraqi fighters are now drivi...   Mar 27 2003, 02:07 AM
campbellcj   I also heard today that, according to Amnesty Inte...   Mar 27 2003, 02:24 AM
Brad Roberts   Thanks to Digital cable I can watch NON American w...   Mar 27 2003, 03:21 AM
AlexO   I admit that its hard not to pay attention, but iI...   Mar 27 2003, 06:18 AM
Bruce Allert   :angry: Where were all these thousands of protest...   Mar 27 2003, 08:35 AM
URY914   Iraq has the second largest oil reserves in the wo...   Mar 27 2003, 09:33 AM
Brad Roberts   Cool. A Marine on the list (I think LB is ARMY) No...   Mar 27 2003, 01:35 PM
GWN7   You guys missed the one where it is reported that ...   Mar 27 2003, 02:46 PM
seanery   My brother was telling me about a video he saw whe...   Mar 27 2003, 03:04 PM
SirAndy   blah blah blah ... people (like me) that are agai...   Mar 27 2003, 03:32 PM
URY914   Haven't we been over this before? If not the...   Mar 27 2003, 03:41 PM
tmp914   I dont think there is anymore "international law" ...   Mar 27 2003, 03:46 PM
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SirAndy     Mar 27 2003, 03:53 PM
URY914   We get to take care of several problems when we ta...   Mar 27 2003, 04:03 PM
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James Adams   You see, Andy, whether or not there are hidden age...   Mar 27 2003, 04:33 PM
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URY914   I have never voted for anyone in the UN. It's ...   Mar 27 2003, 04:35 PM
Brad Roberts   The UN is a bunch of washed up politicians with no...   Mar 27 2003, 04:39 PM
Brad Roberts   I'm happy we have people like Andy around. Oth...   Mar 27 2003, 04:46 PM
vortrex   I love it when US residents support saddam and his...   Mar 27 2003, 04:50 PM
jonwatts   Chistopher Walken on Saturday Night Live as French...   Mar 27 2003, 04:52 PM
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vortrex   where in my post did I mention your name? can you...   Mar 27 2003, 05:03 PM
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silver six   I'm With Andy He yells too loudly but I'm...   Mar 27 2003, 06:10 PM
Don Wohlfarth   Andy, respect your views on being anti-war. Too ba...   Mar 27 2003, 06:12 PM
joea9146   A good thread to add this: 22 March 2003 With o...   Mar 27 2003, 06:16 PM
Brad Roberts   Don, I want to thank you. Good post with good inf...   Mar 27 2003, 06:20 PM
silver six   I won't defend the U.N. That debate is a red ...   Mar 27 2003, 06:37 PM
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tracks914   Here is s question, would the US be in a war if th...   Mar 27 2003, 07:04 PM
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bernbomb914   could it be the lack of action by the UN was becau...   Mar 27 2003, 07:24 PM
SirAndy   <...   Mar 27 2003, 09:07 PM
tracks914   Does anyone think Al Gore would be at war right no...   Mar 27 2003, 09:11 PM
seanery   Al Gore? Who the fuck is Al Gore? It's a dam...   Mar 27 2003, 09:26 PM
tracks914   <...   Mar 27 2003, 09:32 PM
Brad Roberts   I'm scared. I think when we do make it to Bagh...   Mar 27 2003, 09:42 PM
Jeroen   Yep, Vietnam all over again... Could even be wor...   Mar 27 2003, 10:09 PM
seanery   Gore would have hid in a shed in TN, his home stat...   Mar 27 2003, 10:29 PM
mskala   <...   Mar 27 2003, 10:29 PM
rick 918-S   Hey! Al Gore invented the internet!(LOL) :...   Mar 28 2003, 12:28 AM
74GoKart   I agree that Saddam is a real fucker and should be...   Mar 28 2003, 03:25 AM
SirAndy   74GoKart :worship: thank you sir!   Mar 28 2003, 12:19 PM
silver six   It appears this war is not as black and white as t...   Mar 28 2003, 12:31 PM
tracks914   74GoKart Some else with knowledge, research and ...   Mar 28 2003, 03:05 PM
Brad Roberts   I have tried many times in the past to undo my "mi...   Mar 28 2003, 03:14 PM
tracks914   <...   Mar 28 2003, 03:31 PM
r_towle   The scary part to me is that the UN was formed to ...   Mar 28 2003, 03:49 PM
SirAndy   74GoKart, this is exactly what i meant when i said...   Mar 28 2003, 03:56 PM
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Brad Roberts   I'm thinking about adding a temporay WAR ROOM ...   Mar 28 2003, 07:26 PM
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