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> Judging Interest for LOW flexible front spoiler
VaccaRabite
post Feb 27 2009, 08:04 AM
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Last week I approached Mikey914 about making a flexible front spoiler similar to the NLA Flexdam. He went to Camp see what I was on about, and noted that it was fiberglass and rubber and asked Morph about making the glass part.

Verdict: it can be done. But, is there interest?
This is what we are talking about:
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So. Are we interested in such an item? Cost would likely be in the $110 to $120 range, depending.

You would get all the benefits of a really low spoiler, without the worry of killing it on the street every time you approached a speed bump or random twig or driveway.

As a car moves swiftly down the road, air does under the body of the car as well as over the top, which produces lift. A low air dam blocks that airflow, and helps keep the car attached to the road at speed.

Plus, they look cool.

So. Who wants one?
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Demick
post Mar 6 2009, 11:19 AM
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I had the flexdam on my car for years. I got it because I also thought it was the best looking spoiler.

However, if you run it with the rubber, IT WILL HINDER THE ENGINE COOLING in a significant way. The lower rubber section will raise your oil temperatures by 25 degrees. I assume it also affects the head temps. Hard to believe, but it's true and I experienced it first-hand.

Nothing wrong with just the fiberglass portion though.

Of course, this was for a type4 motor. May not have the same effect on a six, and obviously isn't a concern on a watercooled conversion.

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QUOTE(Demick @ Mar 6 2009, 12:19 PM) *

I had the flexdam on my car for years. I got it because I also thought it was the best looking spoiler.

However, if you run it with the rubber, IT WILL HINDER THE ENGINE COOLING in a significant way. The lower rubber section will raise your oil temperatures by 25 degrees. I assume it also affects the head temps. Hard to believe, but it's true and I experienced it first-hand.

Nothing wrong with just the fiberglass portion though.

Of course, this was for a type4 motor. May not have the same effect on a six, and obviously isn't a concern on a watercooled conversion.

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i wonder if this is why the LE dam has the notch cut in it?

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post Apr 17 2009, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(lotus_65 @ Apr 17 2009, 04:25 AM) *

QUOTE(Demick @ Mar 6 2009, 12:19 PM) *

I had the flexdam on my car for years. I got it because I also thought it was the best looking spoiler.

However, if you run it with the rubber, IT WILL HINDER THE ENGINE COOLING in a significant way. The lower rubber section will raise your oil temperatures by 25 degrees. I assume it also affects the head temps. Hard to believe, but it's true and I experienced it first-hand.

Nothing wrong with just the fiberglass portion though.

Of course, this was for a type4 motor. May not have the same effect on a six, and obviously isn't a concern on a watercooled conversion.

Demick

i wonder if this is why the LE dam has the notch cut in it?

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It's exactly why the LE has the notch. Also look at the 916 front. there's a break at the bottom that is used to allow the air to flow into the low pressure area created by the shape of that design. The idea here is to accomplish this by notching the rubber to do the same thing. Closer to the with of the 916 gap. The great thing is that the rubber can be modified to achieve the level of airflow you desire. If you cut too much, not a problem, just replace the rubber. I would be very interested in having one of the A/X guys do some testing for me. Start out with the full skirt, cut a 2" gap. cut a 6" gap, cut a 12" gap, as watch how the temps change. My thought is that the 12" gap is what will be required as that's closer to the distance the on the 916. I thing the sweet spot may be just slightly less.
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Vacca Rabite   Judging Interest for LOW flexible front spoiler   Feb 27 2009, 08:04 AM
Gint   I like 'em. Looks really cool. But wouldn...   Feb 27 2009, 08:12 AM
Vacca Rabite   I like 'em. Looks really cool. But wouldn...   Feb 27 2009, 08:26 AM
SirAndy   But wouldn't removing a lot of air flow under...   Feb 28 2009, 08:31 PM
blitZ   I am interested. I have a LE dam, which I've ...   Feb 27 2009, 08:14 AM
MDG   I'm not looking for one but a friend has been ...   Feb 27 2009, 08:24 AM
Mikey914   We are currently looking at building these, I like...   Feb 27 2009, 10:15 AM
ConeDodger   A buddy of mine could make that with stuff from Ho...   Feb 27 2009, 10:40 AM
Bruce Hinds   Hey Mark, Great idea, I'll get one for sure. ...   Feb 27 2009, 10:40 AM
andys   Would it be lower than say the deep valence with b...   Feb 27 2009, 10:48 AM
Mikey914   The re-inforcement at the mounting points was one ...   Feb 27 2009, 02:14 PM
Mikey914   A buddy of mine could make that with stuff from H...   Feb 27 2009, 02:17 PM
jfort   I am interested in this, too. Would like it to ma...   Feb 27 2009, 02:24 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I would be intersted I guess. If the cost is that ...   Feb 27 2009, 02:25 PM
dkjens   I had one of those on my '74 914 some 15 years...   Feb 27 2009, 02:44 PM
jhadler   Interested. But I'd be looking for brake duct...   Feb 27 2009, 03:41 PM
Al Meredith   We had one on an EP racer years ago. I think I sti...   Feb 27 2009, 05:48 PM
roadster fan   I like it. I am in. Perfect for everyday driving...   Feb 27 2009, 06:04 PM
ellisor3   I would be in as well. I have been looking for thi...   Feb 27 2009, 07:11 PM
arvcube   i'd be interested for that price. I'd be ...   Feb 28 2009, 01:47 AM
Mikey914   I'm working with James to produce this product...   Feb 28 2009, 03:03 AM
ellisor3   Here is one with the rolled panels. You can see th...   Feb 28 2009, 05:32 AM
dw914er   Here is one with the rolled panels. You can see t...   Mar 6 2009, 01:06 AM
MDG   This one has it with flares; the lower rubber sk...   Feb 28 2009, 07:05 AM
Zimms   I am in for one if you go forward. Narrow body.   Feb 28 2009, 09:11 AM
Mikey914   The good news is the rubber is going to be the sam...   Feb 28 2009, 11:33 AM
jsayre914   :Qarl: im one of those guys that has been searchin...   Feb 28 2009, 07:30 PM
veltror   I 'd like one of these..   Feb 28 2009, 08:04 PM
MDG   at least one up here too, Mark.   Feb 28 2009, 08:12 PM
mikez   I had one for years.....loved it. Would consider ...   Feb 28 2009, 08:29 PM
Mikey914   Looks like I'll have my hands on one real soon...   Mar 6 2009, 01:01 AM
Bruce Hinds   Looks like I'll have my hands on one real soo...   Mar 6 2009, 10:34 AM
dw914er   I had one on my car for years (before I started dr...   Mar 6 2009, 01:04 AM
RoadGlue   I'd be down for one, preferably with brake duc...   Mar 6 2009, 01:14 AM
geniusanthony   I'd like one of these as well   Mar 6 2009, 06:16 AM
Van914   Yes, I'm in for one too. Thanks van914   Mar 6 2009, 06:33 AM
Vacca Rabite   Awesome. I'm really excited about this produc...   Mar 6 2009, 10:41 AM
Richard Casto   I think the problem you are already seeing is that...   Mar 6 2009, 11:04 AM
Demick   I had the flexdam on my car for years. I got it b...   Mar 6 2009, 11:19 AM
johnnie5   I had the flexdam on my car for years. I got it ...   Mar 6 2009, 01:41 PM
lotus_65   I had the flexdam on my car for years. I got it ...   Apr 17 2009, 05:25 AM
Mikey914   [quote name='Demick' post='1142202' date='Mar 6 2...   Apr 17 2009, 09:13 AM
hot_shoe914   I have been looking for one of these as well. I mo...   Apr 17 2009, 11:36 PM
cobra94563   I would be interested, especially if it could fit ...   Mar 6 2009, 01:20 PM
Mikey914   So far, the brake cooling could be added as an opt...   Mar 7 2009, 03:10 AM
ssstikircr   I would probably like one. :headbanger:   Mar 7 2009, 03:38 PM
Mikey914   Looks like these will be going into production. I...   Mar 17 2009, 11:37 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   :beer2:   Mar 17 2009, 11:42 PM
dw914er   sweet... looking forward to it   Mar 17 2009, 11:47 PM
geniusanthony   :bump:   Apr 2 2009, 12:14 AM
Mikey914   Thanks for the bump. Molds are being right now sho...   Apr 2 2009, 12:29 AM
Vacca Rabite   Thanks for the bump. Molds are being right now sh...   Apr 16 2009, 03:52 PM
arvcube   Thanks for the bump. Molds are being right now s...   Apr 16 2009, 04:53 PM
Vacca Rabite   ^^^^^^ There are occasional moments when I am not ...   Apr 16 2009, 05:00 PM
arvcube   I'm just messing with ya...I want one too. Ma...   Apr 16 2009, 05:14 PM
pete-stevers   I would be intersted in one of these as well!   Apr 16 2009, 05:37 PM
Vacca Rabite   I'm just being terse as I am posting from clas...   Apr 16 2009, 05:37 PM
SGB   I'm going to have to get one of these too, Mar...   Apr 16 2009, 10:31 PM
Mikey914   Update on these - The first prototype will be out ...   Apr 16 2009, 10:47 PM
xperu   I actually have one that came off of a 76 parts ca...   Apr 17 2009, 05:18 AM
westgl   I need two of them, are they ready yet? lol Tha...   Apr 18 2009, 09:15 AM
jfort   I can barely get in and out of my garage without s...   Apr 20 2009, 07:20 AM
geniusanthony   :bump:   Apr 24 2009, 05:08 AM
Derek Seymour   I need one for my Dad's car, if I like the loo...   May 2 2009, 09:10 PM
J P Stein   It'll keep air from gettin' under my car, ...   May 2 2009, 09:37 PM
Mikey914   You are correct it does keep air from getting unde...   May 2 2009, 10:41 PM
Mikey914   Well, as you may have gathered Monday didn't g...   May 6 2009, 09:08 PM
TC 914-8   I'm In for one, the low pressure behind the da...   May 6 2009, 11:23 PM
Mikey914   I'm In for one, the low pressure behind the d...   May 7 2009, 12:25 AM
ellisor3   The finish on those has more of a gloss than the o...   May 7 2009, 04:37 AM
Vacca Rabite   Bump? Mike, any word or pics of the prototype? ...   Jun 3 2009, 12:47 PM
siverson   Neat! How about a version for flared cars? :)   Jun 3 2009, 05:21 PM
Mikey914   Bump? Mike, any word or pics of the prototype? ...   Jun 4 2009, 12:01 AM
Vacca Rabite   Woohoo! Zach   Jun 4 2009, 08:14 AM
RobW   Awesome! Thanks. I'll take one too! ...   Jun 4 2009, 08:22 AM
jim_hoyland   These were really big sellers back in the '80s...   Jun 4 2009, 09:50 PM
Mikey914   An update. I spoke with James today. He has had fa...   Jun 5 2009, 01:44 AM
nolift914   I'am in for one   Jun 5 2009, 07:34 AM
Vacca Rabite   Mike is spot on about James. He can be slow to ge...   Jun 5 2009, 07:58 AM
kfish914   I'm in for one. Based on the looks of the pro...   Jun 11 2009, 04:19 PM
Porcharu   I'm in for one to. Great job.   Jun 12 2009, 12:20 PM
jfort   Any word on the status? I hope to get it mounted ...   Jul 20 2009, 06:46 PM
Mikey914   The project is not dead, I spoke with James last w...   Jul 21 2009, 10:25 AM
Mikey914   Another thing I'll be discussing is providing ...   Jul 21 2009, 10:37 AM
Vacca Rabite   As always, I wait patiently. Zach   Jul 22 2009, 11:05 AM
Mikey914   Well I met with James this weeekend and got the fi...   Jul 28 2009, 10:30 PM
Mikey914   These pictures show the fiberglass portion mounted...   Jul 28 2009, 10:32 PM
Mikey914   One more. The rubber will put these within 2...   Jul 28 2009, 10:33 PM
ottox914   One more. The rubber will put these within 2...   Jul 28 2009, 11:39 PM
RoadGlue   *drools* Looks awesome! Can't wait for the...   Jul 28 2009, 10:37 PM
rktmn247   Looks great! Will there be flared versions?   Jul 28 2009, 11:00 PM
TC 914-8   Hi Mark, looks good. Keep me on the list. Tony   Jul 28 2009, 11:14 PM
Mikey914   "Looks great! Will there be flared versio...   Jul 28 2009, 11:22 PM
Mikey914   As far as removal and installation, I had not actu...   Jul 29 2009, 01:03 AM
jhadler   As far as removal and installation, I had not act...   Jul 29 2009, 01:10 PM
Vacca Rabite   That looks fantastic! I can't wait. Zach   Jul 29 2009, 07:19 AM
Mikey914   Zus fasteners are a posibility, I will need to wor...   Jul 29 2009, 02:31 PM
Van914   Ii can't wait. Make mine with the Zus fastener...   Jul 29 2009, 05:38 PM
jhadler   Ii can't wait. Make mine with the Zus fastene...   Jul 29 2009, 06:00 PM
lotus_65   are the original ones worth much? i can get the fi...   Jul 29 2009, 07:53 PM
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