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> Where is Ground Connection"B" ?
kenshapiro2002
post Sep 23 2009, 12:21 PM
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Where is the ground numbered #83 (Ground connection "B") on a 1970 914? It's not the one in the rear trunk, and not the one by each headlight. It's the one that grounds all the dash switches, door switches, fan and heater switch, etc.
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:26 PM
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OK...ground connection #83 was not that hard to get to...didn't need to remove the speaker cover or heater hose. It's right on the back of the spot where the reds all came together. It was just hiding from my eyes. It was very clean, but I "worked it" even more. Didn't address my problem. I'll do the tranny ground strap tomorrow, but I;m betting its not the issue, based on the following:

Problem didn't exist when I bought the car two months ago, and didn't surface until I started doing work on the speedo and the brake lights. Evidence suggests It has something to do with either the work I did on the speedo ( wihch included taking off the steering wheel), or the brake lights (they wee not working until I adjusted the brake light switch).

Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists. Steering wheel is off and problem still exists.

So, when I turn on the ignition, all is quiet. Turning on signals, radio, wipers, headlights, or hitting the brakes, causes the flasher relay thing (rectangular upright thing behind the dash that mounts in the far left recesses of the dash) to chatter at 10x it's normal speed. If I then turn off whatever device caused it to start this chatter, the chatter continues until I turn off the ignition. There must be some evidence in the fact that any electrical load from any switch causes only that flasher to squawk.
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post Sep 23 2009, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 12:26 PM) *

Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists. Steering wheel is off and problem still exists.

Take out all gauges, remove the face-plate and inspect the top of the switches.

Either something fell on to one and is shorting out a switch or one or more wires got lose when you pulled the speedo the first time.

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"Remove the face plate"...you mean the surround that holds the three gauges?


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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 12:26 PM) *

Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists. Steering wheel is off and problem still exists.

Take out all gauges, remove the face-plate and inspect the top of the switches.

Either something fell on to one and is shorting out a switch or one or more wires got lose when you pulled the speedo the first time.

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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM) *

"Remove the face plate"...you mean the surround that holds the three gauges?

Do you see any other face-plates with gauges in it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes, the big black thing with three large holes. Once removed, you'll have a little bit better access to the switches.

One of them flexible mirrors comes in handy when working on this stuff ...
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"Take out all the gauges, remove the face plate", could also mean the individual face plates on each gauge. That would mean getting out the dynamite. Doing that to the speedo, sucked! Off to the garage!

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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM) *

"Remove the face plate"...you mean the surround that holds the three gauges?

Do you see any other face-plates with gauges in it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Yes, the big black thing with three large holes. Once removed, you'll have a little bit better access to the switches.

One of them flexible mirrors comes in handy when working on this stuff ...
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kenshapiro2002   Where is Ground Connection"B" ?   Sep 23 2009, 12:21 PM
SirAndy   Where is the ground numbered #83 (Ground connecti...   Sep 23 2009, 12:24 PM
kenshapiro2002   Great...out to the garage again...slide in backwar...   Sep 23 2009, 12:26 PM
Cupomeat   Don't give up Ken!!! Electical pr...   Sep 23 2009, 12:32 PM
kenshapiro2002   I was just kidding...I am actually having fun. Tha...   Sep 23 2009, 12:44 PM
kenshapiro2002   Ooops...meant Sir Andy. :( I was just kidding....   Sep 23 2009, 12:46 PM
r_towle   its there on the inner fender above the fuse box.....   Sep 23 2009, 12:49 PM
SirAndy   its there on the inner fender above the fuse box....   Sep 23 2009, 12:55 PM
Rod   Remove speaker housing and heater pipe for easier ...   Sep 23 2009, 12:56 PM
kenshapiro2002   OK...thanks guys...here I go again.   Sep 23 2009, 12:58 PM
markb   There's also one by the relay board in the eng...   Sep 23 2009, 12:58 PM
kenshapiro2002   Did that one and the one for that battery yesterda...   Sep 23 2009, 01:00 PM
SirAndy   Don't forget the ground strap on your transmis...   Sep 23 2009, 01:03 PM
kenshapiro2002   "While you're in there"? I'm und...   Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM
Cupomeat   Hey, just remember that there is no "F" ...   Sep 23 2009, 01:24 PM
kenshapiro2002   Watched a bit...still not sure exactly what ...   Sep 23 2009, 02:10 PM
Cupomeat   Hobby and art, but not much business... The movie...   Sep 23 2009, 03:02 PM
kenshapiro2002   OK...ground connection #83 was not that hard to ge...   Sep 23 2009, 02:26 PM
SirAndy   Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists...   Sep 23 2009, 03:01 PM
kenshapiro2002   "Remove the face plate"...you mean the s...   Sep 23 2009, 03:06 PM
SirAndy   "Remove the face plate"...you mean the ...   Sep 23 2009, 04:05 PM
kenshapiro2002   "Take out all the gauges, remove the face pla...   Sep 23 2009, 05:07 PM
SirAndy   "Take out all the gauges, remove the face pl...   Sep 23 2009, 05:18 PM
kenshapiro2002   I'm not nuts...just stupid (at least about thi...   Sep 23 2009, 06:04 PM
markb   You mention you adjusted the brake light switch. W...   Sep 23 2009, 02:51 PM
kenshapiro2002   My gremlin still exists with the switch unplugged....   Sep 23 2009, 02:54 PM
kenshapiro2002   Alright...new evidence. I have all the gauges dang...   Sep 23 2009, 06:07 PM
kenshapiro2002   Never mind...It only worked for a little while. ...   Sep 23 2009, 06:26 PM
Spoke   Alright...new evidence. I have all the gauges dan...   Sep 23 2009, 09:18 PM
ghuff   Don't mind Sir Andy. He has a little chip on ...   Sep 23 2009, 06:19 PM
kenshapiro2002   I love Sir Andy...been a great help. I didn;t real...   Sep 23 2009, 06:26 PM
SirAndy   Don't mind Sir Andy. He has a little chip on ...   Sep 23 2009, 06:48 PM
kenshapiro2002   Alright...check this out...everything is hanging a...   Sep 23 2009, 06:29 PM
ghuff   Yes, I like it when people act insulted over the p...   Sep 23 2009, 06:30 PM
kenshapiro2002   I assume it just pulls upwards? What a weird spot ...   Sep 23 2009, 06:40 PM
SirAndy   ... that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch o...   Sep 23 2009, 06:50 PM
ghuff   ... that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch ...   Sep 23 2009, 07:03 PM
kenshapiro2002   I have all of the schematics for all of the years ...   Sep 23 2009, 07:22 PM
ghuff   I have all of the schematics for all of the years...   Sep 23 2009, 07:42 PM
kenshapiro2002   Thanks. [quote name='kenshapiro2002' post='121...   Sep 23 2009, 07:45 PM
r_towle   [quote name='kenshapiro2002' post='1217936' date=...   Sep 24 2009, 11:34 AM
kenshapiro2002   I concur...guests and "hosts" should tre...   Sep 24 2009, 11:40 AM
SirAndy   I concur...guests and "hosts" should tr...   Sep 24 2009, 11:58 AM
kenshapiro2002   Not at all. Already thought I made that clear. I h...   Sep 24 2009, 12:00 PM
SirAndy   ... :rotfl:   Sep 23 2009, 07:32 PM
kenshapiro2002   More "evidence". Pulling fuse #8 stops t...   Sep 23 2009, 07:12 PM
kenshapiro2002   Guys...you two obviously have some history, but I ...   Sep 23 2009, 07:17 PM
Cupomeat   WOW, I leave this thread for a commute, dinner, ki...   Sep 23 2009, 09:36 PM
kenshapiro2002   Maybe a savior! I need to go out and perform t...   Sep 24 2009, 05:55 AM
Spoke   Some other tests to try: On the flasher relay, re...   Sep 24 2009, 06:10 AM
kenshapiro2002   OK...here's where I need to get stupid (tongue...   Sep 24 2009, 07:17 AM
Spoke   OK...here's where I need to get stupid (tongu...   Sep 24 2009, 09:26 AM
kenshapiro2002   The flasher relay (the one that now chatters me cr...   Sep 24 2009, 09:49 AM
kenshapiro2002   OK...just went out to "play". The turn s...   Sep 24 2009, 06:41 AM
kenshapiro2002   OK...no question #2 I had the wires reversed! ...   Sep 24 2009, 07:01 AM
Spoke   OK...no question #2 I had the wires reversed...   Sep 24 2009, 09:23 AM
kenshapiro2002   Here's what I'm referring to. This is what...   Sep 24 2009, 09:45 AM
Spoke   Nice pic of the fuse. The side with one wire is th...   Sep 24 2009, 10:42 AM
kenshapiro2002   Just checked out the voltage on the "cold...   Sep 24 2009, 12:04 PM
kenshapiro2002   As to check point 3 below...pin49A, the BLK/GRN/WH...   Sep 24 2009, 12:45 PM
kenshapiro2002   Yeah...the chatter box is a rectangular prism, sil...   Sep 24 2009, 11:23 AM
kenshapiro2002   Got it out...off to test the hot and ground. I...   Sep 24 2009, 01:13 PM
kenshapiro2002   OK...pin 31 (ground) is excellent. Pin 49 is getti...   Sep 24 2009, 01:32 PM
kenshapiro2002   Yeah...after looking at the schematic, I think it...   Sep 24 2009, 05:20 PM
SirAndy   would start to flash on its correct side, and the...   Sep 24 2009, 05:28 PM
kenshapiro2002   Never had any luck with the search function on thi...   Sep 24 2009, 06:04 PM
kenshapiro2002   Did some searching and found that others have hd s...   Sep 24 2009, 06:31 PM
Spoke   When I took delivery of the car, the turn signal ...   Sep 24 2009, 11:09 PM
kenshapiro2002   On this part should I be powered up and trying ite...   Sep 25 2009, 05:37 AM
Spoke   On this part should I be powered up and trying it...   Sep 25 2009, 05:48 AM
kenshapiro2002   You can check this in 2 ways. Disconnect the flash...   Sep 25 2009, 06:50 AM
kenshapiro2002   So, if the flasher relay passes all of these tests...   Sep 25 2009, 06:53 AM
kenshapiro2002   OK...decided to run every possible test on the rel...   Sep 25 2009, 07:08 AM
FourBlades   I'd say buy a new relay or try one known to be...   Sep 25 2009, 08:05 AM
kenshapiro2002   Thanks. I'd say buy a new relay or try one k...   Sep 25 2009, 08:08 AM
Spoke   I'd say buy a new relay or try one known to b...   Sep 25 2009, 09:15 AM
kenshapiro2002   Took out all the fuses except #9. Everythiing was ...   Sep 25 2009, 09:18 AM
Spoke   Took out all the fuses except #9. Everythiing was...   Sep 25 2009, 09:58 AM
kenshapiro2002   When I did the "Fuse Experiment" I put t...   Sep 25 2009, 10:04 AM
Spoke   When I did the "Fuse Experiment" I put ...   Sep 25 2009, 10:07 AM
kenshapiro2002   If I pull the 4 way flasher by itself or with othe...   Sep 25 2009, 12:16 PM
Spoke   The resistances of the relay look good. I don...   Sep 25 2009, 08:11 AM
kenshapiro2002   Ground wire (31) has always shown zero. Just elim...   Sep 25 2009, 08:59 AM
Spoke   Ground wire (31) has always shown zero. Just eli...   Sep 25 2009, 09:11 AM
silverteener   I can't help you with your problem but I see S...   Sep 25 2009, 09:00 AM
kenshapiro2002   I read through your ordeal last night and it gave ...   Sep 25 2009, 09:02 AM
kenshapiro2002   Also, if I leave all fuses out except #8, problem ...   Sep 25 2009, 09:33 AM
kenshapiro2002   Just ordered a flasher relay with 1 day delivery.....   Sep 25 2009, 09:59 AM
FourBlades   So fuse #8 controls the wiper, fan blower, lighter...   Sep 25 2009, 11:35 AM
kenshapiro2002   What each fuse controls is different wherever I lo...   Sep 25 2009, 12:18 PM
kenshapiro2002   OK...removed 49A and K. No difference. Well, the a...   Sep 25 2009, 12:55 PM
Spoke   OK...removed 49A and K. No difference. Well, the ...   Sep 25 2009, 02:35 PM
kenshapiro2002   Right now I'm ready to set it on fire. In fact...   Sep 25 2009, 04:38 PM
Spoke   Sorry to hear of your car-b-q. It is unfortunate b...   Sep 25 2009, 08:20 PM
kenshapiro2002   I hear you...easy to get lazy when you're runn...   Sep 25 2009, 09:15 PM
kenshapiro2002   CAR-B-Q MYSTREY[b] ...so what can be the reason f...   Sep 26 2009, 07:18 AM
markb   Black with a blue strip is the illumination circui...   Sep 26 2009, 07:34 AM
kenshapiro2002   Do tell...here or PM. Black with a blue strip is...   Sep 26 2009, 08:04 AM
Gint   Do tell...here or PM. Click the link in Mark's...   Sep 26 2009, 08:09 AM
Spoke   For the melted wire, I think all the illumination ...   Sep 26 2009, 07:43 AM
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