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> GT Clone/Look 914 - which model to start with - 914 or /6?
mharmon
post Feb 12 2010, 11:02 AM
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The collection knowledge on this board is pretty impressive - so here's the question - I know that I want to build a GT clone car. It doesn't need to be a dead on replica of a real GT (I simply don't have the budget for it), but I want it to be reasonably close. The car will almost certainly have a 2.5L twin plug motor, but past that I am still putting together the list of things that I definetly want and the nice to have's (if I can find them at a reasonable price).

The first big question that I need to answer though is what base car to start with - a 914 or a 914/6? Granted, modifying a 6 is not something that one would do lightly - the car is just too cool and too rare to simply start hacking away. But if I were to find a non-operable car, would all of the 6 parts that would come with it justify the incremental cost? Just looking at the cost of real 6 heat exchangers, oil systems, brakes, suspension, etc, it almost seems to me that buying a 6 and starting the project from there is the way to go.

What do you guys think?

Thanks for your advice.

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post Feb 12 2010, 01:40 PM
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But he stated from the beginning that he's not looking to do an exact replica - just something that looks close.

I would start with a 4. If your going to sink a bunch of money into a 6, your better off returning it to stock to retain any value.
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post Feb 12 2010, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(jgara962 @ Feb 12 2010, 11:40 AM) *

If your going to sink a bunch of money into a 6, your better off returning it to stock to retain any value.

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First off, why would you "lose" money if you turned a /6 into a /6 GT?
The only time people pay top $$$ for a /6 is if it is a all original, low mileage, exceptionally preserved car. How many of those are still out there?

I venture to guess that if i rebuild my original /6 into a GT clone i could sell it for just as much $$$ as if i did a stock rebuild.

Secondly, a lot of real /6 were build into GTs, m471s and GT inspired race cars in the '70s. Some by the factory, many more by individuals.
I don't believe that you need any sort of racing pedigree to build a nice GT. Why does it matter if you converted your /6 to a GT in 1970 or in 2010? The process is still pretty much the same and some of the parts used today are probably better than the parts that were used 40 years ago.

Case in point, there's a nice replica of the Jagermeister GT here in the bay area. Despite a few nagging "mistakes" made by the builder, it's a very nice car.
Build on a '74 /4 chassis.
Now if that one was build on a real /6 chassis, i'd be all over it.

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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 12 2010, 12:08 PM) *

QUOTE(jgara962 @ Feb 12 2010, 11:40 AM) *

If your going to sink a bunch of money into a 6, your better off returning it to stock to retain any value.

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First off, why would you "lose" money if you turned a /6 into a /6 GT?
The only time people pay top $$$ for a /6 is if it is a all original, low mileage, exceptionally preserved car. How many of those are still out there?

I venture to guess that if i rebuild my original /6 into a GT clone i could sell it for just as much $$$ as if i did a stock rebuild.

Secondly, a lot of real /6 were build into GTs, m471s and GT inspired race cars in the '70s. Some by the factory, many more by individuals.
I don't believe that you need any sort of racing pedigree to build a nice GT. Why does it matter if you converted your /6 to a GT in 1970 or in 2010? The process is still pretty much the same and some of the parts used today are probably better than the parts that were used 40 years ago.

Case in point, there's a nice replica of the Jagermeister GT here in the bay area. Despite a few nagging "mistakes" made by the builder, it's a very nice car.
Build on a '74 /4 chassis.
Now if that one was build on a real /6 chassis, i'd be all over it.

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I guess it all depends on what you start with. If your project car is a disaster, then your going to spend a lot of money no matter if you bring it back to show condition or make it a GT replica. If you start with something halfway decent, why spend the extra money to put flares on, get new wheels, interior, etc. You see it all the time at auctione like BJ where a bone stock car commands more as it was originally built than ones that are turned into tribute cars or clones.
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You see it all the time at auctione like BJ where a bone stock car commands more as it was originally built than ones that are turned into tribute cars or clones.

I didn't think his intention was to flip his car for a profit.

But even then, if you need to restore the 914/6, it'll never command top dollars.
All the ones i have seen that went for over $30k were low mileage, original cars.
I don't think any restored /6 will sell in that range for quite a few years to come.

Given the choice between a nicely restored stock /6 and a nicely restored GT replica /6 i just don't think the stock car would fetch significantly more.

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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Feb 12 2010, 01:19 PM) *

QUOTE(jgara962 @ Feb 12 2010, 01:11 PM) *

You see it all the time at auctione like BJ where a bone stock car commands more as it was originally built than ones that are turned into tribute cars or clones.

I didn't think his intention was to flip his car for a profit.

But even then, if you need to restore the 914/6, it'll never command top dollars.
All the ones i have seen that went for over $30k were low mileage, original cars.
I don't think any restored /6 will sell in that range for quite a few years to come.

Given the choice between a nicely restored stock /6 and a nicely restored GT replica /6 i just don't think the stock car would fetch significantly more.

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If you took a /4 and a /6 and built them to into a GT clone of the exact same level, would the /6 command significantly more money if sold? Would the difference even cover the initial outlay of the car? I don't know the answer. I do know that a /4 and /6 chassis built to the same level would both drive the same on the road and what it's VIN is wouldn't make a difference. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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I think we can all agree that the true question here is, "How important are those first three numbers to you?"
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mharmon   GT Clone/Look 914 - which model to start with - 914 or /6?   Feb 12 2010, 11:02 AM
jmill   IMHO I would start with a rust free 4 and add all ...   Feb 12 2010, 11:10 AM
RiqueMar   IMHO I would start with a rust free 4 and add all...   Feb 12 2010, 11:34 AM
smontanaro   Maybe start with one that's a good bit of the ...   Feb 12 2010, 11:49 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   I have to agree.. If you take a car that already h...   Feb 12 2010, 11:57 AM
ChicagoPete   Mike, I would have to say your project is an oxym...   Feb 12 2010, 12:06 PM
mharmon   Thanks for all of the responses so far guys. To...   Feb 12 2010, 12:13 PM
ChicagoPete   Thanks for all of the responses so far guys. T...   Feb 12 2010, 03:33 PM
Jon Fernandes   If you're going to make a gt clone then start ...   Feb 12 2010, 12:26 PM
SirAndy   [b]If you're going through all the trouble to...   Feb 12 2010, 12:53 PM
RiqueMar   [Flame suit on] [b]If you're going through al...   Feb 12 2010, 12:59 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   [Flame suit on] [b]If you're going through al...   Feb 12 2010, 01:07 PM
zymurgist   Time to play devil's advocate here... :evilgr...   Feb 12 2010, 01:21 PM
jgara962   But he stated from the beginning that he's not...   Feb 12 2010, 01:40 PM
SirAndy   If your going to sink a bunch of money into a 6, ...   Feb 12 2010, 02:08 PM
jgara962   If your going to sink a bunch of money into a 6,...   Feb 12 2010, 03:11 PM
SirAndy   You see it all the time at auctione like BJ where...   Feb 12 2010, 03:19 PM
jgara962   You see it all the time at auctione like BJ wher...   Feb 12 2010, 03:40 PM
RiqueMar   I think we can all agree that the true question he...   Feb 12 2010, 03:51 PM
SirAndy   I do know that a /4 and /6 chassis built to the s...   Feb 12 2010, 04:01 PM
RiqueMar   If the VIN doesn't make a difference, then w...   Feb 12 2010, 04:35 PM
SirAndy   Because real /6's cost more? I got mine for ...   Feb 12 2010, 04:58 PM
RiqueMar   Because real /6's cost more? I got mine for ...   Feb 12 2010, 05:14 PM
Rod   I think stock 6's are fast becoming too good a...   Feb 12 2010, 02:49 PM
SirAndy   I think stock 6's are fast becoming too good ...   Feb 12 2010, 03:22 PM
Eric_Shea   It depends on how "accurate" you want to...   Feb 12 2010, 02:51 PM
ChrisNPDrider   Show or go? :beer2: Do you want a rad 914 to dri...   Feb 12 2010, 03:20 PM
SirAndy   Wonder why Andy didn't offer up his shell? Hm...   Feb 12 2010, 03:23 PM
RobW   I'd find a solid /4 even if money is no object...   Feb 12 2010, 06:28 PM
carr914   Asking for advice is great, but in the end it will...   Feb 12 2010, 06:54 PM
RiqueMar   .... I had a set of Factory Flares (the only thin...   Feb 12 2010, 08:50 PM
sixaddict   :confused: This sounds like my brain on drugs .. ...   Feb 12 2010, 10:18 PM
effutuo101   I have to agree with Andy. Build on a /6 if you ca...   Feb 12 2010, 10:45 PM
pete-stevers   Because real /6's cost more? I got mine for ...   Feb 12 2010, 11:47 PM
rfuerst911sc   I'll add my 2 cents because that's all I h...   Feb 13 2010, 06:02 AM
JJ914GT   I woukd say start with a solid car. rust repairs, ...   Feb 13 2010, 09:01 AM
jcambo7   I woukd say start with a solid car. rust repairs,...   Feb 13 2010, 07:40 PM
badm   Finding a 98% rust free 914/6 for $28000.00. ...   Feb 13 2010, 09:02 AM
JJ914GT   It sure does. I've seen this car ( it's in...   Feb 15 2010, 04:55 PM
ChicagoPete   There sure are alot of spectators awfully close to...   Feb 15 2010, 07:01 PM


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