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> SBC V8 Water Pump Failure, 3 Styles of Pumps Tested BYPASS THERMOSTAT UPDATE
nick mironov
post May 6 2010, 12:32 PM
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My Renegade water pump failed yesterday. The pump impeller is stamped steel and the blades all just folded over or sheared off. I understand that the cast impellers are much stronger, but that not all manufacturer's cast models will fit into the Renegade housing. Anybody have experience with cast impeller pumps that will fit into the Renegade housing?

Since there is no bypass in the Renegade system, Renegade instructions are to limit the motor RPM to 3,000, or less, untill the thermostat opens. I have observed this, but the pump still failed after 5,500 miles. Renegade now makes a bypass kit, which I going to try, but I would still like to get a more durable pump.

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post May 6 2010, 09:07 PM
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This type of failure is a typical problem with the SBC conversion, since there is no bypass water flow circuit for cold (closed thermostat) operation.

I talked to Renegade, and they are now preparing to market a bypass system and they are going to sell me one. This should elieve the stress on the stamped impeller, but I would still like to have a cast impeller.

I found the previous thread on this subject, and it still appears that no one has identified a specific model number for a cast impeller pump that wil fit the renegade housing. Stamped impeller pumps don't seem to be a problem to find or fit.

Although one would expect that the stamped and cast impellers to be manufactured to the same specifications to be interchangeable in the same housings, apparantly they are not. Steve at Renegade says that some of them will fit with a double gasket and some need to be trimmed to fit in depth and even in diameter. Steve runs a 6,000 rpm 302 at the track and is successfully using the bypass with a stamped impeller pump.

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QUOTE(nick mironov @ May 6 2010, 08:07 PM) *

This type of failure is a typical problem with the SBC conversion, since there is no bypass water flow circuit for cold (closed thermostat) operation.

I talked to Renegade, and they are now preparing to market a bypass system and they are going to sell me one. This should elieve the stress on the stamped impeller, but I would still like to have a cast impeller.

I found the previous thread on this subject, and it still appears that no one has identified a specific model number for a cast impeller pump that wil fit the renegade housing. Stamped impeller pumps don't seem to be a problem to find or fit.

Although one would expect that the stamped and cast impellers to be manufactured to the same specifications to be interchangeable in the same housings, apparantly they are not. Steve at Renegade says that some of them will fit with a double gasket and some need to be trimmed to fit in depth and even in diameter. Steve runs a 6,000 rpm 302 at the track and is successfully using the bypass with a stamped impeller pump.

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look for the marine aplication. that would have the brass impeller. jegs and summit are your friend with hot rod parts [yes you have a hot rod].
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nick mironov   SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   May 6 2010, 12:32 PM
messix   some else just had this problem less than six mont...   May 6 2010, 12:35 PM
wallys914   You run a Thermostat? I don't... but then agai...   May 6 2010, 01:00 PM
Bruce Hinds   It's a mopar impeller, they make a few differe...   May 6 2010, 01:01 PM
zymurgist   I drilled a 1/16" hole in the flange of my t-...   May 6 2010, 01:43 PM
SLITS   It is hard to imagine that a pump would see suffic...   May 6 2010, 05:24 PM
kg6dxn   Buy a Mopar Performance high flow water pump for a...   May 6 2010, 06:34 PM
nick mironov   This type of failure is a typical problem with th...   May 6 2010, 09:07 PM
messix   This type of failure is a typical problem with t...   May 6 2010, 09:14 PM
kg6dxn   This type of failure is a typical problem with t...   May 6 2010, 09:15 PM
computers4kids   [quote name='nick mironov' post='1314826' date='M...   May 6 2010, 10:06 PM
kg6dxn   Found one for you. http://www.summitracing.com/pa...   May 6 2010, 09:22 PM
messix   it's the cavitation that bends the impellers. ...   May 6 2010, 09:23 PM
kg6dxn   Here's a marine version. http://marineenginep...   May 6 2010, 09:35 PM
TC 914-8   Yep I was one of those recient failures. I went ...   May 6 2010, 11:44 PM
messix   Yep I was one of those recient failures. I went...   May 7 2010, 08:43 AM
nick mironov   That failure looks exactly like mine... The threa...   May 6 2010, 11:56 PM
jimkelly   maybe i will just keep running my stock water pump...   May 7 2010, 04:58 AM
SLITS   In the other thread, someone asked what Ford did t...   May 7 2010, 07:08 AM
SLITS   Here's the deal. I will send a pump (that was...   May 7 2010, 08:56 AM
nick mironov   I will take you up on this. My housing is out of t...   May 7 2010, 06:14 PM
marks914   Just find the right impeller assembly and replace ...   May 7 2010, 08:05 PM
nick mironov   This is the Test Setup. Although the pump housin...   May 26 2010, 10:00 AM
nick mironov   This is the Lineup of the Tested Impellers. [ Th...   May 26 2010, 10:02 AM
nick mironov   Failed Stamped Impeller. The impeller failed duri...   May 26 2010, 10:04 AM
nick mironov   Replacement Stamped Impeller This is an exact rep...   May 26 2010, 10:05 AM
nick mironov   3.66” Diameter Cast Impeller This is the small ...   May 26 2010, 10:06 AM
nick mironov   4.365” Cast Impeller I first thought that the i...   May 26 2010, 10:07 AM
nick mironov   The Housing   May 26 2010, 10:08 AM
nick mironov   Replacement Stamped Impeller in Housing Note that...   May 26 2010, 10:09 AM
nick mironov   4.365” Cast Impeller in Housing There is also g...   May 26 2010, 10:10 AM
nick mironov   4.365” Cast Impeller in Housing Note that there...   May 26 2010, 10:11 AM
nick mironov   3.66” Cast Impeller in Housing Note the very sm...   May 26 2010, 10:12 AM
nick mironov   Housing After I finished testing everything, I cl...   May 26 2010, 10:13 AM
nick mironov   3.66” Cast Impeller in Housing after Beveling th...   May 26 2010, 10:14 AM
nick mironov   [b]The Results Since I did not have test equipmen...   May 26 2010, 10:16 AM
BRAVE_HELIOS   Love this write-up!! I am in the market f...   Oct 5 2011, 10:03 PM
BRAVE_HELIOS   [b]This is the Test Setup. Although the pump ho...   Nov 1 2010, 01:46 PM
kg6dxn   Very nice. Thanks for doing the research for our b...   May 26 2010, 03:29 PM
TC 914-8   Great write up, details and data. When I was look...   May 26 2010, 11:29 PM
drive-ability   I had a similar problem, I looked around and found...   May 27 2010, 07:38 AM
LvSteveH   This is Scott using Steve's 914 World account ...   Jun 1 2010, 04:47 PM
nick mironov   I purchased Scott's / Renegade's bypass th...   Jun 2 2010, 01:02 AM
SLITS   Ok, last bit of information I will post on this. ...   Jun 2 2010, 01:50 PM
nick mironov   The Renegade system thermostat with bypass is now ...   Jun 6 2010, 10:54 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:55 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:55 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:56 AM
nick mironov   The only problem I had was that the Renegade ...   Jun 6 2010, 10:58 AM
nick mironov   RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure   Jun 6 2010, 10:59 AM
PRS914-6   First let me say that I have never done a SBC conv...   Jun 6 2010, 04:49 PM


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