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> Subaru Engine Conversion Wiki, Let's compile all the knowledge into one thread...
Britain Smith
post Sep 9 2010, 10:57 AM
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I have been going thru several of the threads regarding Subaru engine conversions to learn about the different ways people are performing the installation. From radiators to CV adaptors, there are several paths to take. Lets try to compile all that information into one thread. Anyone can contribute and I will take the information in the thread and update the top few posts with the details.

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post Feb 15 2011, 01:50 PM
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(bloody hell those smilies to the left are distracting)

Here's some quick info regarding suby transmissions and clutch assemblies.

There are two main types of suby clutches - "push" and "pull". Relative to the stock configuration, a "push" clutch has the slave cylinder mounted on the engine side of the clutch fork and actuates toward the driveshaft end. The "pull" clutch has the slave cylinder mounted near the center of the transmission and actuates toward the engine. The type of clutch actuation is dictated by the combination of the flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, throwout bearing, clutch actuation fork, and the slave cylinder. All of these items must be matched in terms of fork actuation direction. A transmission can be converted from pull to push by flipping the pull slave cylinder and using a kit - some bellhousings may have bolt holes for using either type, but I don't believe this to be the case. Note that cable-actuated clutches actuate in the "push" direction.

So here's a quick cheat sheet for transmissions and clutch actuation direction. From the factory on cars sold in the USA,
1.8, 2.2L engines came with cable-actuated clutches (Impreza -'01, Legacy -99?)
2.5L non-turbo engines came with push-style hydraulic clutches (Legacy 96+, Impreza 98+, Forester all years)
2.0L turbo engines came with pull-style clutches (02-05)
2.5L turbo engines in the WRX came with push-style clutches (06-09)
2.5L turbo engines in the STi came with pull-style clutches (04+)

You cannot mix and match flywheels with clutches across these (e.g. no WRX clutch on an N/A flywheel, no push WRX clutch with a pull WRX flywheel, etc). You also cannot use an STi fw/clutch/pp in a non-STi bellhousing without some grinding, and you still must use a pull-style clutch fork actuation. Why does this matter? Two reason: power and packaging.

Due to the proliferation of WRXes and the relative scarcity of high-power N/A cars, there are basically no cheap or livable options for N/A clutches that will handle real power. If you're not going to be making more than realistic power for a 2.5L N/A (say, about 200 lb-ft), you can use any clutch combination you want. If you are going make more power, you can either shell out BIG bucks ($800+) for an N/A clutch/fw/pp kit, or you can find a way to make a WRX or STi clutch work.

So why not just grab a WRX clutch/fw/pp and stick it on any old gearbox? The gearbox might not have the bosses required to mount a pull-style slave cylinder. Why not just use a WRX transmission? The pull-style clutch actuation mechanism is physically large, and it's on the top of the transmission, right where the 914 has lots of metal. The push clutch cylinder is smaller, lives closer to the engine where there's space, and can be more easily made to fit inside the 914 transmission tunnel without cutting. The solution, then, is simple - you need a WRX clutch with a push-style clutch actuator. Luckily, that's what Subaru moved to with the WRX in '06+. You can use a stock N/A slave cylinder and clutch fork with an 06+ WRX flywheel, clutch disk, pressure plate, and throwout bearing!

This matters because WRX boxes are expensive (easily twice the cost of an N/A box of the same year), rarer since the N/A transmissions have been around since the early '90s, and basically identical in terms of capability when used in a 914. 06+ WRX flywheels aren't terribly cheap yet, but prices are coming down all the time. '06+ transmissions, however, are still really expensive.

What this means is that, when you're doing shopping, you must consider the transmission, that transmission's clutch actuation direction, and then what flywheel/clutch/pp combos match that direction. You can work backwards or forwards, but they must necessarily follow in that direction unless you want a headache. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Britain Smith   Subaru Engine Conversion Wiki   Sep 9 2010, 10:57 AM
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Britain Smith   I will start going back and editing my posts with ...   Sep 9 2010, 11:39 AM
Andyrew   Coming along nicely! Think you can include lin...   Sep 9 2010, 06:33 PM
bigvag   I would like someone to come out with a how to mak...   Sep 9 2010, 06:36 PM
charliew   I would like someone to come out with a how to ma...   Sep 10 2010, 12:33 AM
Britain Smith   CharlieW, That is an interesting pan, I will add ...   Sep 10 2010, 09:58 AM
Britain Smith   Lots of updates today. Enjoy. -Britain   Sep 10 2010, 10:55 AM
Britain Smith   Anyone have some new stuff to add. -Britain   Sep 12 2010, 07:46 PM
Andyrew   Very interesting motor mount you added. Uses the s...   Sep 12 2010, 07:57 PM
charliew   Very interesting motor mount you added. Uses the ...   Sep 13 2010, 10:02 PM
blitZ   Pretty good summary. I've been looking for a ...   Sep 13 2010, 07:31 AM
dlo914   Here's what our smallcar engine mount looks li...   Sep 14 2010, 11:28 AM
Britain Smith   Thanks for the pic. The one difference I see betw...   Sep 14 2010, 11:34 AM
Sleepin   Not a whole lot to contribute here, but I wanted t...   Sep 14 2010, 03:54 PM
JRust   I'd like a link or someone who knows the subar...   Oct 23 2010, 09:26 PM
bfrymire   I'd like a link or someone who knows the suba...   Oct 24 2010, 12:55 AM
DukeTrout   This is a late reply, but I thought I'd chime ...   Feb 14 2011, 01:06 PM
abayer1969   Britain thanks for the work. Nice to see all of th...   Oct 24 2010, 05:20 PM
d914   intersting site for older JDM motors http://www.c...   Oct 24 2010, 05:35 PM
d914   and my build thread.. http://www.914world.com/bbs...   Oct 24 2010, 05:41 PM
NC_Colfax   What is everyone using for electronics?? How do t...   Oct 27 2010, 06:31 PM
Britain Smith   Hey Duke...here is my Subaru conversion thread. I...   Feb 14 2011, 01:21 PM
DukeTrout   Thanks for the link, Britain. I've been lookin...   Feb 15 2011, 01:54 PM
sawtooth   Something that may be useful for guys considering ...   Feb 15 2011, 03:04 PM
BIGKAT_83   Something that may be useful for guys considering...   Feb 15 2011, 05:56 PM
strawman   ... I did what they suggested in my suby trans, ...   Feb 16 2011, 05:54 PM
sawtooth   ... I did what they suggested in my suby trans,...   Feb 16 2011, 10:25 PM
strawman   I'm just making a judgment call here, I don...   Feb 17 2011, 01:38 PM
sawtooth   Thanks for this info. I'll have to crawl unde...   Feb 17 2011, 01:52 PM
Britain Smith   Thanks for the link, Britain. I've been looki...   Feb 15 2011, 05:08 PM
DukeTrout   I live over on the East side suburbs, but I work i...   Feb 16 2011, 02:27 PM
utah914   Has anyone done heat with a suby swap?   Feb 14 2011, 01:45 PM
malaga_red75   I have been going thru several of the threads reg...   Feb 14 2011, 05:23 PM
thenewwazoo   (bloody hell those smilies to the left are distrac...   Feb 15 2011, 01:50 PM
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d914   The down side of the six speeds besides cost ,,, t...   Feb 16 2011, 05:44 PM
904svo   some wiring tricks. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/i...   Jan 10 2013, 04:51 PM
scotty b   I recall someone somewhere ( ClubNARP most likely ...   Jan 15 2013, 09:22 AM
DBCooper   It's pretty cool how a forum that no-one visit...   Jul 15 2013, 03:53 PM
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Chris H.   Yeah and that plastic screw-top is a PITA to get o...   Jan 15 2013, 02:46 PM
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