Spoilers, SCCA legal Options

[Randal]

Down at AAS yesterday.

All the modified cars had huge spoilers. I thought 8" was the limit, but it looked more like a foot.

Got to figure out what is legal and get one of those puppies on 222.

[J P Stein]

All production cars have shortcomings. All production cars do not suit themselves to a given Prepared/Mod class. The Boxster is no exception to that rule, IMO. The motor is shit. That could be overcome with an engine bay transfusion but it couldn't be in FP. It is a decent platform....maybe even very good, but nobody has stepped up with the TM&E to prove it in Prepared or Mod. Strelnieks
Is one of the premier AX drivers in the land. If he can't make a winner out of it......

Putting money into an M96 is worse than putting lipstick on a pig....at least you an eat the bacon from a pig whereas the M96 will eat itself.

[jjackson]

All production cars have shortcomings. All production cars do not suit themselves to a given Prepared/Mod class. The Boxster is no exception to that rule, IMO. The motor is shit. That could be overcome with an engine bay transfusion but it couldn't be in FP. It is a decent platform....maybe even very good, but nobody has stepped up with the TM&E to prove it in Prepared or Mod. Strelnieks
Is one of the premier AX drivers in the land. If he can't make a winner out of it......

Putting money into an M96 is worse than putting lipstick on a pig....at least you an eat the bacon from a pig whereas the M96 will eat itself.

So you two aren't tight.Lipstick on a pig?Wow.JJackson

[grantsfo]

All production cars have shortcomings. All production cars do not suit themselves to a given Prepared/Mod class. The Boxster is no exception to that rule, IMO. The motor is shit. That could be overcome with an engine bay transfusion but it couldn't be in FP. It is a decent platform....maybe even very good, but nobody has stepped up with the TM&E to prove it in Prepared or Mod. Strelnieks
Is one of the premier AX drivers in the land. If he can't make a winner out of it......

Putting money into an M96 is worse than putting lipstick on a pig....at least you an eat the bacon from a pig whereas the M96 will eat itself.

So you two aren't tight.Lipstick on a pig?Wow.JJackson

JP is a bit of a butt head and still sore my pig in lipstick boxster beat his "nationally" competitive 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)

JP is flat out wrong about the Boxster not being competive in Prepared or Mod classes with M96/97 motors. Just watch this years Nationals. I think he will be surprised at the number of those terrible self eating Porsche water pumper motors in fast cars. Eric is already being challenged in his SSM car by a fast SSM Boxster that just recieved a big 3.8 M97. LOL!

I guess JP has missed the fact a M97 motor can be used in Prepared classes. Granted M96 isnt the easiest motor to work with and it doesnt share the years of development of the older aircooled motors. But we are seeing some much better applications now.

The m96 motor in the FP Boxster right now (bought it for $2K used) has lasted 3 seasons without a hiccup. So much for them being crap. I dont know too many 2480cc aircooled motors that make over 200 HP with over 11 to 1 compression that last three seasons with multiple drivers running at redline every event. And there is clearly a good M97 motor that can be used that will crank out 300 HP in FP trim at 2.9 liters. Thats a competitive weight and allows the car to have some weight over the front end.

Erik has indicated the Boxster as it sits with a stock 2.5 exactly way I sent it to him is competitive for podium level. However Erik is more focused on E Production road racing than making the car a National class FP car. Its going to carry extra radiators and stay with 2.5 so its likely not going to be an all out FP car. And in case you missed it JP my Boxster was and is already a Nationally competive FP car. It has run down the fast podium placing FP cars and drivers in its class 3 times at differnt top level National and Regional events around the US. Get it through your thick skull dude. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) LOL!

Perhaps when JP builds a car that can compete at a National level in a given class he will gain some credibility being an "expert" but frankly I could care less as I will never see one his cars running against me or one of my cars. As I told JP 7 years ago anyone can cut a top off a 914 throw motor in the car and run near TTOD at a poorly attended local event against street class cars. Thats no fun for me! It takes some real knowledge to build a SCCA prepared class winning car at a national level.

I have nothing against people building fast cars just for fun but when they start spouting trash about the car being nationally competitive like JP has I just have to call BS.

Funniest thing about this is I have never claimed to be an expert. I'm just starting at this building cars for national level SCCA stuff. and I'm not sure how committed I am at this point. I dont have a car currently that I'm targeting for national level build. I am toyin gwith ideal of a 1.7 in FSP if they allow the car in that class. If not I may return to a very serious BSP Boxster build as I know thoses cars just as well as 914's now. You learn a lot about a car when you strip them down to race cars.