Original 1970 914/6 Value & a '71 914/6 Clone Options

[mtbr_mark]

Hi guys. I posted this in the classifieds section as well but was encouraged to post it in the garage too. I recently helped a friend finish a 1971 conversion where we put a 2.7 in. This car is complete with 5 lug axles, upgraded Bilstein suspension, the works. I'm looking for some advice though. My friend Chuck just passed away from esophageal cancer at the age of 61. As an avid auto enthusiast he had three Porsches to his name when he passed away; a 2010 Boxster, the 1971 914/6 clone that we built, and then his original 1970 914/6. His wife asked me if I would be willing to help her sell the two 914s so of course I said that I would. My question is this...can you guys give me a ballpark for what to be asking for each? I'll have to dig up some more details for everyone on the original 6 but I do know that he ended up pulling the 2.0 stock six that was in there and replaced it with a 3.0 as well as a very built transmission. So again, just looking for some direction on the value of these cars before we move on too far.

Thanks in advance,
Mark

[Tom_T]

FYI All - here's the link to his other post in the classifieds where TC & others have also replied. I agree it would be best if they could be merged here, but don't know if that's even possible.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=144955

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Mark - if you go to the website below & put in you zip code, then the car info, then it will give you'll get what the car dealers use for pricing info., as well as looking at the info at the Excellence link below that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif)

NADA = Nat'l Auto Dealers' Assn. link:
http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Cars
FYI for my SoCal zip 92867 it gives for the 70/6: $21,100 $24,500 $31,400

Excellence on 914 values:
http://www.excellence-mag.com/resources/bu...guide/856880138
... some come up here, but there are many more if you Google & check other classifieds, etc. -
http://www.excellence-mag.com/classifieds?...mp;to_year=1972

These are only ballparks & generalities, so what Eric & the others are saying is the real answer. Also if the original "numbers matching" 6 motor & transaxle are still available in your buddy's parts stash, that adds value to the original 70 /6 - so don't sell those off separately. Pix help too.

Even if estimates are all over the place - the actual value will be what you/his widow settle on to sell, since the actual buyer & seller will make the market - not any experts.

Out of curiosity - what color is the 1970 914-6 now & originally (if changed)? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Good Luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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[mtbr_mark]

It would help to see detailed photos!

Does the original 6 still have the 2.0L included out of the car? Is the trans an original 6 trans? How is the Hell Hole rust and the over all condition of the car? $10K - $40K or more!

Conversions can be all over the map but a well sorted one can go for good money depending on what kind of details and restorations were done in the process! $8K - $30K!

So photos and details!

I'll have photos for everyone to see tomorrow evening. Don't hold me to these details until I can double check tomorrow since it's all from memory right now but here's what I can say of both (I'll have more info on the clone since I built it). And I apologize now if my descriptions are a bit naive or off, but I'm still new to the Porsche world.

Some Back Story on the Owner
Chuck McCart was an E.R. Doctor with more people biding for his time than his heart could say no to. Always quick to help anyone with a need he found himself working looong hours everyday at the hospital as well as serving as medical director and adviser for multiple organizations. He was a man who was incredibly meticulous about everything that he did. I think largely in part because of his background as a helicopter pilot and Doctor. He flew through Vietnam as a young man and then returned to the states to run his own helicopter based fire fighting business, and then at 37 went to medical school to become a doctor. He was a lover of anything that went fast. Sports cars (including his 914s, Boxster, and AC Shelby Cobra), airplanes, and helicopters were his passions.

Real 1970 914-6
- Red exterior (and I believe that years ago it was yellow)
- Black interior
- GT Flares
- Currently has a 3.0L with 40mm Webers
- Original 2.0L is included as well. It seized up when installed in the '71 clone as the diagram that came with our fender mounted oil tank showed the lines plumbed backwards. Consequently when we started it up, it ran it for about 30 seconds, then stopped and would not turn over at all. Extent of internal damage is unknown. Could be minor, could be major. We opted to pull the motor and go a different route rather than tear into and rebuild this one. But we do still have it and it will be included with the car if wanted.
- Momo steering wheel
- Transmission has been greatly improved from everything that Chuck had told (he was extremely proud of how it was built) me but I don't remember the extent of work done to it. Hopefully the pictures tomorrow will be clear as day for those of you who know more about these than I do.
- 4-Point belts
- Front trunk mounted oil cooler with oil lines plumbed in the driver side rocker panel
- 2-piece BBS Wheels (the original Fuchs are on the clone)
- Custom built and tuned stainless steel exhaust
What's wrong
I haven't seen this car run in a couple years namely because of Chuck's extremely busy schedule. Before parking it though he frequented any track days he could get to as well as running at Laguna Seca Raceway as I'm sure many of you have as well. There is a significant oil leak of some sort as there was a substantial amount of oil under it at one point (possibly a cracked oil line if I had to guess)

1971 914-6 CLONE
- Red exterior (the car was blue at one point as evidenced by the blue paint on the underside of the rear trunk)
- Black Interior
- Mild Flares
- 2.7L out of a 911 with 40mm Weber carbs
- Firewall welded motor mount with sportmount bushings
- Oil tank in 914-6 fashion is mounted in the driver side fender well
- Sideshift transmission with new shift rod bushings at the firewall and end of shift rod where it connects to the transmission
- High-performance axles
- 5 lug hubs
- Fuchs wheels from the 914-6
- Upgraded coilovers (I'll check what springs and shocks they are)
- Second oil cooler is mounted in the rear passenger fender well with a 6” thermostatically controlled electric fan
- Upgraded electric fuel pump
- Engine bay is painted satin black and engine is a black and red scheme. Most everything that's red on the engine has been powdercoated, not painted
- MSD Ignition
- Brand new Bursch tuned exhaust
- Hell Hole has been cut out and replaced with new sheetmetal welded in
- New heater flapper boxes on the exhaust
- Fuse box has been replaced with modern fuse block
What's wrong
- Two things. Before being diagnosed Chuck noticed that one of the headlights would sometimes stick when opening so he took both of them apart and didn't get a chance to reinstall them. And while putting some miles on it after finishing the build we noticed that the handling just wasn't perfect. When we took it in for an alignment they said that it had a bent strut. Again, with plans of replacing it, Chuck removed the front driver side strut and hadn't had a chance to replace it before things went south.

Again, I'll take loads of pictures tomorrow and get those up. I agree that it would be in our best interest to get better educated opinions from people more engrossed in this line of cars. And no, Gail isn't pressed to sell these. She just doesn't have a need for them or any strong sentimental attachment so she asked if I would be willing to see if I might be able to help her sell them. They were Chuck's babies. Thanks again for all the input and advice everyone.