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> Cylinder Head Temps, My Experience + lessons learned
rwilner
post Mar 12 2012, 07:01 AM
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I drove down to Chris Foley's shop to get his shift linkage installed this weekend. At the charlton plaza on I-90, I stopped to fill up. I usually put premium in the 914 but this time put regular in because it's what I put in my other cars and I was on autopilot. Oh well, I thought...let's see how she runs on 87, maybe I'm wasting my $$ on the good stuff.

Before the fillup, I was running between 300 and 325 F in 5th gear around 70-75 mph.

After the fillup, I was running between 380 and 400! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

I spent the rest of the trip in 4th gear at no less than 3500 rpm to try and keep the head temps down. When I got to Chris' shop, we put the car in the air and drained out 5 gallons. I replaced them with 93 octane before getting on the highway for the ride home. My cyl head temps were back down to 310-350 for the return trip.

Here's what I learned:
  • A cylinder head temp sensor and gauge are critical to know what's happening in your engine and should be on everyone's short list. Without it I would never have known of the dangerous operating conditions for the engine. The aircraft spruce gauge/probe are short $$ and a quick install.
  • The state of tune has a major impact on running temps (duh). I am still tuning my car with the microsquirt and it's clear I have work to do.
  • Higher octane gas makes your car run cooler.
As always YMMV but thought I'd share my experience.
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jsayre914
post Mar 15 2012, 04:46 PM
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I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold @ The Sensor Connection and told him we need a quote on at least 40 CHT sensors 14mm and he also said no problem, he will get back with me tommorow, he also said he was just about to pick up the MGL guages himself, and he will beat whatever price aircraftspruce will quote me on 10pcs....

this is getting interesting....

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i think i smell a group buy starting tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Mar 15 2012, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Mar 15 2012, 03:46 PM) *

I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold @ The Sensor Connection and told him we need a quote on at least 40 CHT sensors 14mm and he also said no problem, he will get back with me tommorow, he also said he was just about to pick up the MGL guages himself, and he will beat whatever price aircraftspruce will quote me on 10pcs....

this is getting interesting....

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

i think i smell a group buy starting tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) OK, if you can get this down to about 370 or lower then I think it is a go for a group buy. All vendors welcome to make other offers as I think this has a lot of interest and potential.
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post Mar 16 2012, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE(falconfp2001 @ Mar 15 2012, 10:50 PM) *

QUOTE(jsayre914 @ Mar 15 2012, 03:46 PM) *

I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold @ The Sensor Connection and told him we need a quote on at least 40 CHT sensors 14mm and he also said no problem, he will get back with me tommorow, he also said he was just about to pick up the MGL guages himself, and he will beat whatever price aircraftspruce will quote me on 10pcs....

this is getting interesting....

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif)

i think i smell a group buy starting tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) OK, if you can get this down to about 370 or lower then I think it is a go for a group buy. All vendors welcome to make other offers as I think this has a lot of interest and potential.


Don't forget we're going to need about 40' of K-type TC wire as well (purple jacket). A complete kit would include the wire, gauge, sensors, and enough terminals / splices to get the job done.

And oh yeah, probably 3 beers.
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post Mar 16 2012, 07:30 AM
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QUOTE(rwilner @ Mar 16 2012, 08:20 AM) *

Don't forget we're going to need about 40' of K-type TC wire as well (purple jacket). A complete kit would include the wire, gauge, sensors, and enough terminals / splices to get the job done.

And oh yeah, probably 3 beers.

Any connections added to the thermocouple wires may mean the cold junction compensation feature of the instrument won't work. FYI

My 4 channel instrument comes with extended wires on the gauge, so no need for extra wire, but it has no built-in cold junction compensation. If you understand what that compensation does its a minor feature anyway. I put the connectors inside the cockpit where the temp is most stable and closest to the ideal 75F to minimize any inaccuracies.
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rwilner   Cylinder Head Temps   Mar 12 2012, 07:01 AM
Racer Chris   I'll add a data point to your observations. Ye...   Mar 12 2012, 10:33 AM
Vacca Rabite   Oh well, I thought...let's see how she runs o...   Mar 12 2012, 10:36 AM
rwilner   What kind of compression are you running, and wha...   Mar 12 2012, 06:38 PM
r_towle   Observation It was warmer on the way down than on ...   Mar 12 2012, 07:42 PM
rwilner   Observation It was warmer on the way down than on...   Mar 13 2012, 06:48 AM
mrbubblehead   Observation It was warmer on the way down than o...   Mar 13 2012, 06:53 AM
rwilner   rich do you have an innovate a/f gauge you are ha...   Mar 13 2012, 12:49 PM
mrbubblehead   rich do you have an innovate a/f gauge you are h...   Mar 13 2012, 12:53 PM
rwilner   i had the same problem, and did the exact same st...   Mar 13 2012, 01:08 PM
mrbubblehead   i had the same problem, and did the exact same s...   Mar 13 2012, 01:09 PM
rwilner   no prob, i had to get mine to work, i was damned...   Mar 13 2012, 01:23 PM
r_towle   yah but...... I read innovate can send everything...   Mar 13 2012, 01:04 PM
rwilner   yah but...... I read innovate can send everythin...   Mar 14 2012, 07:34 AM
r_towle   yah but...... I read innovate can send everythi...   Mar 14 2012, 11:07 AM
rwilner   [quote name='rwilner' post='1645554' date='Mar 14...   Mar 14 2012, 12:33 PM
michael7810   Rich- I've been wanting to add a CHT gauge for...   Mar 13 2012, 02:02 PM
rwilner   Rich- I've been wanting to add a CHT gauge fo...   Mar 14 2012, 07:15 AM
rwilner   Also, if you have a few more bucks and want to go ...   Mar 14 2012, 07:20 AM
ww914   Hey Rich Your post is very timely with me putting...   Mar 14 2012, 09:34 AM
rwilner   Hey Rich Your post is very timely with me puttin...   Mar 14 2012, 12:31 PM
Racer Chris   Not sure we need egt info like you would on a Ly...   Mar 14 2012, 12:31 PM
ww914   EGT is definitely not much value on a street car....   Mar 14 2012, 01:45 PM
Racer Chris   Chris Are you suggesting a single AFR meter and ...   Mar 14 2012, 03:19 PM
Elliot Cannon   Chris Are you suggesting a single AFR meter and...   Mar 14 2012, 03:50 PM
jsayre914   With a 4 channel CHT its easy to identify and re...   Mar 14 2012, 04:11 PM
Racer Chris   [quote name='Racer Chris' post='1645828' date='Ma...   Mar 15 2012, 02:50 AM
76-914   FYI.......the a/c cht's purpose is to set the ...   Mar 14 2012, 02:15 PM
ww914   FYI.......the a/c cht's purpose is to set the...   Mar 14 2012, 03:16 PM
Elliot Cannon   FYI.......the a/c cht's purpose is to set th...   Mar 14 2012, 03:48 PM
falconfp2001   If you can source a CHT Gauge that will take 4 cha...   Mar 15 2012, 12:04 AM
jsayre914   If you can source a CHT Gauge that will take 4 ch...   Mar 15 2012, 10:42 AM
McMark   I like this one. It's got 4 CHT + oil pressur...   Mar 15 2012, 09:23 AM
Racer Chris   I like It's got 4 CHT + oil pressure + oil t...   Mar 15 2012, 10:24 AM
rwilner   The criteria which make a gauge useful in an airc...   Mar 15 2012, 10:30 AM
Elliot Cannon   The criteria which make a gauge useful in an air...   Mar 15 2012, 10:43 AM
Racer Chris   [quote name='rwilner' post='1646311' date='Mar 15...   Mar 15 2012, 11:49 AM
rwilner   [quote name='rwilner' post='1646311' date='Mar 15...   Mar 15 2012, 11:51 AM
McMark   I like It's got 4 CHT + oil pressure + oil ...   Mar 15 2012, 12:10 PM
falconfp2001   [quote name='Racer Chris' post='1646304' date='Ma...   Mar 15 2012, 12:27 PM
ww914   ......or this one. Simple and cheap. http://www....   Mar 15 2012, 09:57 AM
Racer Chris   ......or this one. Simple and cheap. http://www...   Mar 15 2012, 10:02 AM
rwilner   [quote name='ww914' post='1646271' date='Mar 15 2...   Mar 15 2012, 10:37 AM
ww914   Rich The Westach CHT KIT that I saw was a total o...   Mar 15 2012, 01:31 PM
rwilner   Rich The Westach CHT KIT that I saw was a total ...   Mar 16 2012, 07:06 AM
jsayre914   I am learning sooo much from this thread. I have d...   Mar 15 2012, 01:57 PM
falconfp2001   I am learning sooo much from this thread. I have ...   Mar 15 2012, 02:04 PM
rwilner   :agree: Very Nice. Besides being able to monito...   Mar 16 2012, 07:04 AM
Rand   Any chance this view will automatically switch the...   Mar 15 2012, 03:31 PM
biosurfer1   Any chance this view will automatically switch th...   Mar 15 2012, 03:42 PM
Rand   Very cool! Thanks Brett. I would definitely se...   Mar 15 2012, 03:47 PM
jsayre914   I called Dave @ Aircraftspruce, and told him we ma...   Mar 15 2012, 04:27 PM
jsayre914   I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold @...   Mar 15 2012, 04:46 PM
falconfp2001   I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold ...   Mar 15 2012, 08:50 PM
falconfp2001   I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold...   Mar 15 2012, 08:51 PM
rwilner   I forgot we need sensors too, so I called Harold...   Mar 16 2012, 07:20 AM
Racer Chris   Don't forget we're going to need about 40...   Mar 16 2012, 07:30 AM
rwilner   Don't forget we're going to need about 4...   Mar 16 2012, 07:50 AM
rwilner   [quote name='Racer Chris' post='1647054' date='Ma...   Mar 16 2012, 08:25 AM
jsayre914   Don't forget we're going to need about 4...   Mar 16 2012, 10:11 AM
ww914   Funny how these things work. Good job Joseph.   Mar 15 2012, 07:10 PM
Racer Chris   Apart from finding a good location for the large f...   Mar 16 2012, 05:04 AM
ww914   This all sounds really exciting, but aside from ha...   Mar 16 2012, 09:36 AM
Racer Chris   This all sounds really exciting, but aside from h...   Mar 16 2012, 01:30 PM
jsayre914   I was told the J style was 1/2 percent more accura...   Mar 16 2012, 10:13 AM
rwilner   I was told the J style was 1/2 percent more accur...   Mar 16 2012, 10:50 AM
jsayre914   so, so far no go. I have heard from both vendors ...   Mar 16 2012, 12:55 PM
falconfp2001   so, so far no go. I have heard from both vendors...   Mar 16 2012, 01:36 PM
jsayre914   I am satisfied now. I cant get the price any lower...   Mar 16 2012, 03:52 PM
grogthegreat   Does anyone know if this kit could be used with Me...   Mar 18 2012, 08:40 PM
rwilner   Does anyone know if this kit could be used with M...   Mar 19 2012, 06:21 AM
shuie   Those of you who have spent time on the Pelican te...   Mar 18 2012, 09:03 PM
brant   Those of you who have spent time on the Pelican t...   Mar 20 2012, 08:04 AM
grogthegreat   Unfortunately me heads no longer have the stock CH...   Mar 19 2012, 07:45 PM
rwilner   Unfortunately me heads no longer have the stock C...   Mar 20 2012, 07:12 AM


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