MegaSquirt Question?, Need help with setting the expanded temp limits Options

[falconfp2001]

I've installed and got the engine to run and idle pretty well but I still can not find how to set the expanded temps ranges for Tuner Studio. I have them set for Megatune but Tuner studio instructions are not working.

Here is the section in the manual that discusses the Expanded Temps

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To use a MegaSquirt® controller with an air cooled engine, you will have to decide where the best place is for the coolant sensor: in the oil, or on the cylinder head (CHT). There are various arguments for and against using either CHT or oil temperature as the 'coolant' temperature input on air cooled motors. A lot depends on whether the motor is substantially oil cooled or not. Since the CTS input is used for warmup enrichment, you want something that responds fairly rapidly, so this is highly engine-dependent.

For high temperature applications (i.e. air cooled engines with a CHT), in MS-II you can set the #unset EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP by changing:

#unset EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP

to

# set EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP:

Then the upper temperature limit should be 600 degrees F. This is from the INI notes:

; FAHRENHEIT (Expanded/Normal):
; Low Limit: -40F/-40F
; High limit: 600F/300F
; Low danger: 150F/50F
; Low warning: 200F/150F
; High warning: 325F/200F
; High danger: 350F/220F

However, you have to calibrate the thermistor table(s) appropriately.

However, note that the tuning software limits the temperature range. The thinking is that if you are at an extreme it is probably a bad or missing sensor, so it goes to a default value. This isn't a big deal in TunerStudio though, you can change these limits in the ms2ReferenceTables.ini file. You can adjust these limits if EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP is set. Currently only the CLT sensor respects EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP, the IAT does not.

IAT min = -40, max=350 if outside that range it goes to 70 CLT min = -40, max=350 if outside that range it goes to 180 CLT with EXTENDED_CLT_TEMP min = -40, max=400 if outside that range it goes to 350 default

Here is the section of the ms2ReferenceTables.ini file that controls that:

; tableLimits (optional) = intentifier, min, max, defaultVal
; will set the default value if value is outside the min and max limits.
tableLimits = 001, -40, 350, 70
#if EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP
tableLimits = 000, -40, 400, 350
#else
tableLimits = 000, -40, 350, 180
#endif"

So the user can just edit the one line in ms2ReferenceTables.ini using notepad.exe or something similar to change it from:

tableLimits = 000, -40, 400, 350

to something like:

tableLimits = 000, -40, 600, 350

or similar, and it should work once the user re-burns the table.

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In Megatune, you can use the configurator to set the

#unset EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP

to

# set EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP:

But in TunerStudio you have to edit the ini file and I've done both which only shows the expanded temps in Megatune and not in TunerStudio.

Need Help you guys?

[rwilner]

Frank
I'm in the same boat. I will research and let you know if I find anything.

[rwilner]

This will show you how to change the gauges:

http://www.tunerstudio.com/index.php/manua...ng-gauge-limits

I tried this and it worked for me.

I don't think this effects the software calculations, however...somehow we need to set expanded_clt_temp. I suspect this is why my idle changes based on temp...if I just come off the highway and sit at a stop light, my idle is elevated probably because my head temps are above 220 deg (boiling water) which triggers some emergency algorithm in MS.

[falconfp2001]

This will show you how to change the gauges:

http://www.tunerstudio.com/index.php/manua...ng-gauge-limits

I tried this and it worked for me.

I don't think this effects the software calculations, however...somehow we need to set expanded_clt_temp. I suspect this is why my idle changes based on temp...if I just come off the highway and sit at a stop light, my idle is elevated probably because my head temps are above 220 deg (boiling water) which triggers some emergency algorithm in MS.

That helps for the gauge. I've tried to e-mail for assistance and Tobin suggested I install MS2extra firmware but every time I try I get errors. The only firmware that loads correctly is the MS2-MicroSquirt latest.

Also, if you don't have your CHT sensor calibrated correctly or the expanded temp set, then the gauge will go back to the default reading of 180 because its out of limit and MS treats it like a bad gauge. I had it calibrated yesterday pretty good and getting to around 320 but not any higher (using MegaTune). This was in direct sun and idling on the driveway. If I reved the engine for a while the temps would drop so I knew I had it pretty damn close. Problem was, the AFR is still sketchy. I know I don't have any exhaust leaks but the controller acts like its out of limits as well and default to 22.3 most of the time. I can get the engine to run on a VE table but I can't do any autotune until I fix the AFR problem.