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> D-Jet WAAAAY To Rich, or JOES 2012 HERSHEY EMERGENCY THREAD
jsayre914
post Apr 18 2012, 04:34 PM
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My 2056 w/ D-jet has almost 200 miles on it, i have been tweaking little things here and there. Today I was trying to adjust the TPS. I turned the ignition on and slowly opened the throtle till i heard 20 clicks and then i tightened it down. Got on the freeway and seemed to run a bit better (less bucking) but then i drive 30 min and starts jerking like crazy

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I am loosing at least 1 cylinder under steady cruise and pick it back up on accleration. I get to the end of the freeway and i cant even idle, feels like running on 3 but still has full power. I also hear a knocking sound.

shut it down. put the tps back where it was, pulled the plugs. BLACKer than black. Wipe them off and start it back up. Engine is idling rough and i smell gasoline strong from the exhaust.

I pulled the wire off the head temp sensor and grounded the lead to the negative side of the battery, and I think it helped. I also adjusted the idle screw and the knob on the ecu till it seemed like it smelled less like gasoline.

Here I am, firing on all 3 with full power, engine pulls strong but a lot of misfiring due to rich fuel i believe


what the hell is going on here???




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Jake Raby
post Apr 25 2012, 05:26 PM
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So.. Here we go.
Before I jump into this I want to say thank you for helping me illustrate 3 things:
1- Why we ONLY sell these camshafts with all the matching components, because stock components are for stock applications ONLY.
2- Exactly how "haste makes waste" when trying to rush and make it to an event.
3-That even though we try to remove all the variables by "leading the horse to water" we cannot overcome the ability of someone screwing up and reusing OEM components with our valve train kits.

With that said, I can guarantee that this stock pushrod was not seated in the "cup" of the lifter, ultimately catalyzing the failure of the pushrod and possibly creating collateral damage downstream too. Now, why the hell the installer did not notice that the valve adjustment on that one pushrod was out to lunch compared to the others, I do not know... Other than the fact that the installer was out to lunch and not aware that one of these things was not like the other, obviously unaware of his surroundings..

So, the short story is the installer had the full set of our pushrods and screwed up cutting the first one in the set. Since he was on a timeline trying to make it to a freaking event he did not order just one pushrod, instead he installed one stock one... Then he screwed up the installation of it and didn't get it seated properly, which then lead to the failure of the stock pushrod.

Now, what you probably haven't considered is the load that was placed on the remainder of the valve train down stream. I'd expect the crown of the lifter to be FUBAR or the nose of the cam, or both after this occurrence, especially after the ;lifter danced around when the pushrod broke. Any damage on the cam lobe or lifter crown will accelerate wear and will fail in short order- Been there, done that and you better not assume that its "ok". I'd be willing to bet that you have injured something upstream or downstream in the valve train, because I have seen this occur in the past an even valves can become bent from it. If that pushrod was on the cylinder you were sampling CHT on it could be the reason why the engine was running "so cool", because that cylinder wasn't firing effectively and not building any CHT.

In closing:
We supplied the proper matched components but they were not installed. Someone obviously thought that we "make up" the facts associated with these engines, or they think they are smarter or better than the guys that developed it all (us). The entire reason why we do not and will not sell cams and lifters without the sale of a complete kit is because of THIS EXACT SAME CRAP HAPPENING in the past.

I thought that forcing the consumer to buy the proper components would force them to at least install them and keep this crap from happening. Guess not, so I AM DONE caring and done offering. I hope everyone who ever wanted our 9550 or any other camshaft has already bought it, because after this bullshit I am done selling them.

You can't rush success, but you can damn sure rush failure~

Guess what happens next year?? Hershey... and the year after that and the year after that. Kill yourself to make these events, but don't kill the reputation of my product line and your engine in the process. Rushing before events is the major cause of BS engine and car issues, if the damn car isn't ready the week before the event, don't attend the damn event. Its called a sense of urgency and common freakin sense.

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jsayre914   D-Jet WAAAAY To Rich   Apr 18 2012, 04:34 PM
Jake Raby   Whats the fuel pressure? Remedy this NOW, else th...   Apr 18 2012, 04:40 PM
jsayre914   Whats the fuel pressure? Remedy this NOW, else t...   Apr 18 2012, 04:47 PM
76-914   disconnect the TPS and see what happens   Apr 18 2012, 04:52 PM
jsayre914   disconnect the TPS and see what happens Please...   Apr 18 2012, 04:54 PM
vsg914   Yes on the tps. You need to set it with an ohm met...   Apr 18 2012, 04:56 PM
76-914   disconnect the TPS and see what happens Pleas...   Apr 18 2012, 05:09 PM
914itis   Sounds like my issue when my points went bad last ...   Apr 18 2012, 05:10 PM
jsayre914   Sounds like my issue when my points went bad last...   Apr 18 2012, 05:18 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Not a possibility. Really. No vacuum line at t...   Apr 18 2012, 05:47 PM
jsayre914   Not a possibility. Really. No vacuum line at ...   Apr 18 2012, 05:50 PM
brenz   Adjust the TPS using the procedure on Pelican with...   Apr 18 2012, 08:19 PM
Prospectfarms   :agree: When I smell gasoline, I think "lea...   Apr 18 2012, 08:54 PM
jsayre914   at work <_< Work all day tommorow, wont ge...   Apr 19 2012, 11:27 AM
914itis   Joe I am gonna OSS your stereo, seems like this h...   Apr 19 2012, 11:34 AM
914itis   Joe I am gonna Miss your stereo, seems like this ...   Apr 19 2012, 11:34 AM
McMark   Check the connector/wires at the intake air temp s...   Apr 19 2012, 01:32 PM
jsayre914   I will check everything again tonight. But the mor...   Apr 19 2012, 01:47 PM
vsg914   First I would take another look at everything for ...   Apr 19 2012, 02:01 PM
brant   recheck everything for example... you say the MPS...   Apr 19 2012, 03:01 PM
McMark   :agree: If you checked everything and it's all...   Apr 19 2012, 03:10 PM
76-914   Joe, I went back and read your build thread lookin...   Apr 19 2012, 04:24 PM
jsayre914   Joe, I went back and read your build thread looki...   Apr 19 2012, 05:07 PM
76-914   The 9550 cam makes for a rich idle. I'm runnin...   Apr 19 2012, 05:22 PM
jsayre914   [u]UPDATE Car is up and running. 1) multiple v...   Apr 20 2012, 11:56 AM
jsayre914   :bump: :popcorn:   Apr 20 2012, 03:08 PM
Bleyseng   28 BTDC is the normal setup at 3500rpms. Is the va...   Apr 20 2012, 03:13 PM
jsayre914   28 BTDC is the normal setup at 3500rpms. Is the v...   Apr 20 2012, 03:38 PM
Jake Raby   Something tightened the valves up... That was prob...   Apr 20 2012, 04:07 PM
jsayre914   Something tightened the valves up... That was pro...   Apr 20 2012, 05:01 PM
davesprinkle   Pull off the manifold reference line from the back...   Apr 20 2012, 09:51 PM
underthetire   Pull off the manifold reference line from the bac...   Apr 20 2012, 10:37 PM
Bleyseng   Pull off the manifold reference line from the ba...   Apr 21 2012, 05:33 AM
falconfp2001   WOW, :Qarl: Nice that you got it running again....   Apr 20 2012, 10:35 PM
76-914   :thumbsup: A few days late here, but congrats. I...   Apr 21 2012, 08:14 AM
jsayre914   For those of you that are following my emergency t...   Apr 22 2012, 12:18 PM
brant   you know you need to adjust your valves cold? (ove...   Apr 22 2012, 01:49 PM
jsayre914   you know you need to adjust your valves cold? (ov...   Apr 22 2012, 01:57 PM
Dave_Darling   Compare the adjuster and the position of the valve...   Apr 22 2012, 01:57 PM
76-914   :agree: Sounds like a dropped valve seat :barf: ...   Apr 23 2012, 08:11 AM
jsayre914   :agree: Sounds like a dropped valve seat :barf:...   Apr 23 2012, 09:31 AM
76-914   I asked because Chromoloy are noisy as hell when s...   Apr 23 2012, 09:58 AM
jsayre914   I asked because Chromoloy are noisy as hell when ...   Apr 23 2012, 01:12 PM
Dave_Darling   Like I said, look at where the valve tip (the part...   Apr 23 2012, 06:49 PM
jsayre914   AND THE ANSWER IS ...................................   Apr 25 2012, 12:57 PM
Jake Raby   AND THE ANSWER IS ..................................   Apr 25 2012, 01:46 PM
jsayre914   So, as you can see in the pic, the head of the pus...   Apr 25 2012, 01:40 PM
r_towle   Joe, What type of lifter is in there, and I stron...   Apr 25 2012, 03:48 PM
76-914   Joe, I'm too lazy to re-read your build thread...   Apr 25 2012, 05:09 PM
Jake Raby   So.. Here we go. Before I jump into this I want to...   Apr 25 2012, 05:26 PM
r_towle   Jake, I do think you may be over reacting. It was ...   Apr 25 2012, 05:36 PM
vsg914   So, I won't be able to buy another cam from yo...   Apr 25 2012, 05:42 PM
914itis   I don't see where joe blamed anyone here. Am I...   Apr 25 2012, 05:46 PM
Vacca Rabite   No, you aren't. The guy who built Joe's e...   Apr 25 2012, 06:04 PM
Jake Raby   I am not over reacting.. I am stating facts so som...   Apr 25 2012, 07:40 PM
falconfp2001   I am not over reacting.. I am stating facts so so...   Apr 25 2012, 08:41 PM
brant   so this motor needs to be opened... not the end of...   Apr 25 2012, 07:59 PM
Jake Raby   It is what it is.. I promised myself the last time...   Apr 25 2012, 09:36 PM
gil914   What a Prima Donna! I'm so sick of reading...   Apr 26 2012, 07:10 AM
Prospectfarms   Forgive the following didactic but I want to comme...   Apr 26 2012, 07:17 AM
Jake Raby   This is not the first time this has happened.. It ...   Apr 26 2012, 07:38 AM
76-914   There is nothing that I hate more than dealing wit...   May 1 2012, 08:32 AM
jsayre914   CAR IS BACK ON THE ROAD !! Thanks everyb...   Jul 11 2012, 02:43 PM
jsayre914   And for those of us who want to quickly slap your ...   Jul 11 2012, 02:54 PM
struckn   Great news Joe, finally got your dream car back an...   Jul 11 2012, 09:05 PM


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