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Spoke
post Jan 26 2013, 02:40 AM
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I've wanted to convert my 914 taillights to LED for a while but never got around to it.

Finally I started working on the design of the taillights. This will be a single custom PCB for each side and will have all the LEDs and control circuits on it. One PCB will be used for both sides.

The plan is to remove the existing plastic reflector and bulb assembly and mount a custom board in its place. With proper standoffs, I should be able to mount the board using the same 2 screw holes that secure the reflector.

I'm trying to decide now how many LEDs to use for each purpose. Right now, I have 8 LEDs for the backup lights, 20 LEDs for the running/Brake lights, 24 LEDs for the turnsignals, and 4 LEDs for the side marker.

I've been observing modern cars with LED taillights and some use a few LEDs (like 8) and some a lot (+20).

I would like your opinions on how many LEDs you think would be good to use. On the board below, the LEDs are spaced about 0.7 inches apart. These will be medium brightness white LEDs. (I'll let the lenses provide the color).

The first cut at the board is shown below for the driver's side. The side marker LEDs will be right angle LEDs pointing out the side of the board. They can be seen on the extreme left side of the board.

If these work out, I could manufacture them for World members. One thing though, they won't be cheap. The LEDs are about $0.50 through Digikey and there are more than 55 LEDs on each right now. Plus there's 2 dc-dc converters for providing constant current for the tail/brake and turnsignal LEDs.

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post Jan 29 2013, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(HarveyH @ Jan 29 2013, 01:09 PM) *

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Always wondered about this. Does this mean the same when using regular bulbs? If I use red incandescent bulbs; are they better than clear?

I would think that most standard incandescent bulbs produce a wide range of wavelenghts and the red envelope does the filtering to remove unwanted colors producing the red light. While the red lens will pass most of the red light, there will still be some additional filtering losses so you would probably be better using a clear bulb and do all of the filtering with the lens. I don't believe most LED's are truly monochromatic (like a laser), but rather they produce a variety of wavelengths within a fairly narrow band. {red(ish) or blue(ish) or.....} Anybody know about this???

Oddly enough I was just researching LEDs a bit ago. Wiki has a decent summary on the technology behind how LEDs work, and to summarize it all up, it would seem you're exactly correct in saying that LEDs emit light in a relatively narrow range of wavelengths (colors). It seems they may or may not be totally monochromatic depending on the semiconductor material and doping materials used (there is such a thing as a diode laser, apparently). I'm certain you're also correct about incandescent bulbs emitting a wide range (more or less white light) of wavelengths.

In contrast, LEDs typically emit light in a certain color (i.e. not white) due to how the light comes about from the electrons' behavior in the diode's doped semiconducting material. Hence, LEDs do not typically use filters at all unless for some special application or circumstance. It's tricky to get white light from an LED and while it is of course possible, there are several ways of doing it (including using more than one actual LED in each "light" assembly).
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Spoke   LED Taillights   Jan 26 2013, 02:40 AM
euro911   Nice. Are you going to follow up with front light ...   Jan 26 2013, 03:15 AM
rfuerst911sc   I like this please keep the forum updated with pro...   Jan 26 2013, 04:58 AM
Bartlett 914   Good Idea. I like to see lots of leds. I don't...   Jan 26 2013, 08:09 AM
Cairo94507   I would definitely be in on this buy. I like your...   Jan 26 2013, 08:22 AM
scotty b   Do a search. Someone was putting quite a bit of ef...   Jan 26 2013, 08:47 AM
Mikey914   I'd do the math with the brightest LEDs availa...   Jan 26 2013, 08:57 AM
wndsnd   Or, You could just do this..... Little ...   Jan 26 2013, 09:23 AM
GeorgeRud   I've been looking at these bulbs myself, and h...   Jan 26 2013, 09:27 AM
wndsnd   My car isn't ready yet, so, Maybe I can get a...   Jan 26 2013, 09:33 AM
Scarlet75   My car isn't ready yet, so, Maybe I can get ...   Jan 28 2013, 05:07 AM
scotty b   Found it http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s...   Jan 26 2013, 10:08 AM
Tilly74   If you're upgrading to LED's (or not, they...   Jan 26 2013, 10:16 AM
scotty b   If you're upgrading to LED's (or not, the...   Jan 26 2013, 10:21 AM
Tilly74   [quote name='Tilly74' post='1809688' date='Jan 26...   Jan 26 2013, 10:33 AM
Nürburg Nomad   If you're upgrading to LED's (or not, the...   Jan 28 2013, 02:09 PM
Spoke   Thanks for the replies. I'll try to address ea...   Jan 26 2013, 10:38 AM
PThompson509   Very nice. BTW, if you are keeping the original p...   Jan 26 2013, 12:59 PM
Spoke   I thought about using colored LEDs for turn and br...   Jan 27 2013, 02:28 PM
Spoke   Here's a close up of the outside end of the bo...   Jan 27 2013, 02:45 PM
A&PGirl   Very nice. What kind of software are you working...   Jan 27 2013, 03:16 PM
Spoke   Very nice. What kind of software are you workin...   Jan 27 2013, 04:40 PM
Cairo94507   I definitely want these :beer1: :beer1: :beer1:   Jan 27 2013, 03:38 PM
gothspeed   I am in for LEDs, will they replace the entire ass...   Jan 27 2013, 03:53 PM
Spoke   I am in for LEDs, will they replace the entire as...   Jan 27 2013, 04:50 PM
gothspeed   I am in for LEDs, will they replace the entire a...   Jan 29 2013, 12:08 PM
JmuRiz   Cool stuff, there is a company that does something...   Jan 27 2013, 05:15 PM
d914   interested   Jan 27 2013, 05:19 PM
Chris H.   Very interested..   Jan 27 2013, 05:38 PM
no1uno   interested   Jan 27 2013, 05:53 PM
A&PGirl   Very nice. What kind of software are you worki...   Jan 27 2013, 06:25 PM
monkeyboy   Lots of those drop in LED "bulbs" are ve...   Jan 27 2013, 11:15 PM
DEC   Lots of those drop in LED "bulbs" are v...   Jan 28 2013, 01:45 AM
ruby914   Interested!   Jan 28 2013, 01:51 AM
lagunero   Paul (smrz914) made them. I don't know how man...   Jan 28 2013, 11:53 AM
Spoke   Paul (smrz914) made them. I don't know how ma...   Jan 28 2013, 04:58 PM
zymurgist   Fascinating. I would be in for a set if this come...   Jan 28 2013, 01:18 PM
Jgilliam914   If you build them we will buy!! Every tim...   Jan 28 2013, 04:11 PM
tscrihfield   Spoke let me know if you need any help on this. I...   Jan 28 2013, 05:15 PM
Spoke   Spoke let me know if you need any help on this. ...   Jan 28 2013, 09:35 PM
charliew   I am also interested in these lights. I have a rad...   Jan 28 2013, 11:14 PM
Harpo   Very interested. Count me in David   Jan 29 2013, 05:42 AM
Spoke   Here's the test fixture that I've used to ...   Jan 29 2013, 11:52 AM
Spoke   Here's the comparison with the existing brake ...   Jan 29 2013, 11:54 AM
Spoke   The standard backup light is 25W which is slightly...   Jan 29 2013, 11:58 AM
HarveyH   You might consider doing your testing with red LED...   Jan 29 2013, 12:17 PM
7TPorsh   You might consider doing your testing with red LE...   Jan 29 2013, 12:25 PM
zymurgist   Does that mean two different specs, one for US...   Jan 29 2013, 12:44 PM
HarveyH   7TPorsh: I would think that most standard incand...   Jan 29 2013, 02:09 PM
zymurgist   From what I think you're asking: optimally y...   Jan 29 2013, 05:49 PM
Madswede   7TPorsh: I would think that most standard incand...   Jan 29 2013, 03:28 PM
cconcepcion   I'm interested in a set....   Jan 29 2013, 06:25 PM
Type 47   interested   Jan 29 2013, 06:34 PM
Cairo94507   This project is definitely heading in the right di...   Jan 29 2013, 06:50 PM
Chris H.   This project is definitely heading in the right d...   Jan 30 2013, 04:40 PM
mrbubblehead   :agree:   Jan 29 2013, 06:52 PM
PThompson509   :agree: +1 I've got a LED strip just under th...   Jan 29 2013, 10:26 PM
StratPlayer   Interested :driving:   Jan 30 2013, 04:10 PM
montoya 73 2.0   Would be interested if the LED's are of the co...   Jan 30 2013, 04:18 PM
steuspeed   For a long time blue LEDs did not exist, so it is ...   Jan 30 2013, 04:28 PM
a914622   So Volvo uses a diffuser that looks like a half a ...   Jan 30 2013, 05:21 PM
Spoke   I'm looking for more powerful LEDs for my next...   Jan 30 2013, 10:22 PM
montoya 73 2.0   Have you looked at LumiLEDs? Philips LumiLEDS Oz...   Jan 30 2013, 11:59 PM
a914622   The super flux ones look just like the volvo 3rd b...   Jan 31 2013, 07:33 PM
montoya 73 2.0   My mom worked at LumiLEDS several years ago. She g...   Jan 31 2013, 08:00 PM
Spoke   I checked out the LumiLEDs. They look pretty good....   Feb 1 2013, 11:22 AM
zymurgist   Thanks for putting this together, Spoke. I bet yo...   Feb 1 2013, 02:14 PM
Spoke   The test I did with 10 LEDs putting out about 40LM...   Feb 1 2013, 09:15 PM
charliew   Many years ago I modified a 69 mustang rear tail l...   Feb 1 2013, 09:33 PM
Spoke   For those thinking about changing to LED bulb repl...   Feb 1 2013, 10:22 PM
Cairo94507   I would be perfectly happy for my tail light kit t...   Feb 1 2013, 10:50 PM
euro911   When I was involved with a colleague manufacturing...   Feb 1 2013, 11:04 PM
Harpo   Yea, I'm OK with "for off road use only...   Feb 2 2013, 08:21 AM
monkeyboy   Obviously I would only be using these on my track ...   Feb 4 2013, 10:55 AM
Chris H.   OK stupid question... how about finding a newer ca...   Feb 5 2013, 11:05 AM
Spoke   OK stupid question... how about finding a newer c...   Feb 6 2013, 11:57 AM
Chris H.   OK stupid question... how about finding a newer ...   Feb 6 2013, 02:12 PM
Bartlett 914   I like this project and I hope you are able to fol...   Feb 5 2013, 05:04 PM
gothspeed   Awesome!!! I hope this project comes t...   Feb 6 2013, 12:30 PM
Spoke   The more I see LEDs on vehicles the more I'm c...   Feb 8 2013, 10:32 AM
kg6dxn   The more I see LEDs on vehicles the more I'm ...   Feb 8 2013, 06:56 PM
Spoke   I started testing the next batch of LED samples lo...   Feb 9 2013, 10:04 PM
montoya 73 2.0   :thumbsup: so far!!!   Feb 9 2013, 10:35 PM
euro911   What will the total current draw be for a complete...   Feb 9 2013, 11:09 PM
Spoke   What will the total current draw be for a complet...   Feb 11 2013, 12:16 PM
mrbubblehead   Oh hell ya spoke. I think those are the best so fa...   Feb 10 2013, 12:41 AM
Cairo94507   Making nice progress. I really like the way this ...   Feb 10 2013, 07:25 AM
banger   After looking at your board, you might want to mov...   Feb 10 2013, 11:56 AM
Spoke   After looking at your board, you might want to mo...   Feb 11 2013, 12:18 PM
a914622   ok so i got around to getting some pics of the vol...   Feb 10 2013, 02:47 PM
Spoke   ok so i got around to getting some pics of the vo...   Feb 10 2013, 05:42 PM
mrholland2   I'd be interested in a Euro tail light spec se...   Feb 10 2013, 09:08 PM
Spoke   I'm looking for an economical supply for lense...   Feb 13 2013, 11:31 PM
racerbvd   I'm looking for an economical supply for lens...   Feb 20 2013, 10:59 PM
Cairo94507   I never expected these to be inexpensive. I am in...   Feb 14 2013, 07:03 AM
Chris H.   :agree: I'm in for a set as well regardless. ...   Feb 14 2013, 09:18 AM
Spoke   I've ordered some sample reflectors from Futur...   Feb 20 2013, 09:38 PM
Cairo94507   Great and thanks for the update.   Feb 20 2013, 09:54 PM
Spoke   Got the lens samples in this week. 2 of the sample...   Feb 27 2013, 11:59 AM
Spoke   Next up are the Carclo lens with 18 degree beam an...   Feb 27 2013, 12:07 PM
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