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Relief, Oiling system in a type 4 |
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May 13 2013, 08:33 AM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,342 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
If anyone has read my previous threads my two week vacation turned from driving to lying on the creeper under the new engine and transmission. Low oil pressure after warm up. I ordered a new Melling 30 mm pump and we shall see, but at the same time I looked into the pressure relief system - especially where it shunts oil away from the cooler because it is easier to see in the car.
What I found surprised me. First, looking at two different cases (72 1.7 and 76 2.0) I found that the piston seats on a shoulder in the bore that is at most a mm wide, and is not at all uniform in width across the piston face. OK, maybe it isn't supposed to seal. Second I found that by the time you have opened the valve to shunt past the cooler, you are also dumping into the sump. That is there is a small overlap between the outlet to the oil gallery and the grooves cut in the bore leading to the sump exit. Finally, the piston is simply loose in the bore. I can understand a fear of seizing, but there is no way that with my system oil isn't streaming into the sump, and it will stream faster as it thins - much faster. I also spent a long time cruising the Samba - they ought to know whats up. What I found is a recurrent theme of new engines built in a variety of ways making low oil pressure. Many people were happy with what I ended up with - 10 psi at idle. On a new engine. It is steel against untreated aluminum, so wear would be expected, but mine do not look worn - just poorly made. Maybe they are worn and I cannot tell. I got a face full of oil on one attempt at examination, so I may have missed things. It seems an ideal situation for machining or sleeving during the rebuild, and I actually found a manufacturer of a sleeving kit with a ball bearing valve. Thoughts ladies and gentlemen? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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May 19 2013, 09:23 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,442 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
So you went from 10PSI to 20PSI at idle with all things being the same?
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May 20 2013, 08:45 AM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,342 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
So you went from 10PSI to 20PSI at idle with all things being the same? No, I changed to a thinner oil too. I agree though, I expected more - that is why I went with the 30 weight to start up with. At this point when I change the oil I am going with a heavier oil from a reputable company and just drive it. It is a summer car. I think I won't see the oil light and will be able to enjoy the car. New bearings and excellent journals, but the case - well I am not sure. Bearings - well maybe they aren't right. I just don't know, but my mood has improved. |
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