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| McMark |
 Nov 10 2013, 03:16 PM
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I've been meaning to post this for awhile and Andyrew's recent starter thread inspired me. I used to recommend against a relay at the starter because it was always known as a 'hot start' relay, and hot start issues can be a sign of a wearing starter. So I considered the relay to be a baind-aid to avoid have to really fix the problem - a bad starter.
Jamie (JRust) was having some ignition switch issues and I started to rethink my position on the starter relay. I realized that the crappy reproduction ignition switches that are available now are prone to failure from having too much current pushed through them. They simply aren't built with enough focus on quality to stand up to the way Porsche/VW designed the starting system. So now I recommend a starter relay on all cars in order to avoid undue stress on either old, tired factory ignition switches or crappy reproduction switches. This can be any 30A or larger relay and Bosch sells a starer relay kit, but I didn't like some of the choices they made, especially because it's sold as a universal kit, which means it doesn't fit nicely on anything. So I put together my own kit designed specifically for our cars. I also found a relay that has a fuse built in, rather than a separate unit. A starter relay can be made with pieces available from your FLAPS, but for those of you who don't feel like going that route, I've made a few of my setup available for sale. This thread is more about sharing information though, so I'll exclude the details here. Attached image(s) 
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| shuie |
Nov 10 2013, 05:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 17-May 04 From: baton rouge, la Member No.: 2,075 |
Awesome. I have one in my cart to order. Why is it charging me CA sales tax in the shopping cart?
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| Mike Bellis |
Nov 10 2013, 05:27 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,346 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None 
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QUOTE(shuie @ Nov 10 2013, 03:04 PM)  Awesome. I have one in my cart to order. Why is it charging me CA sales tax in the shopping cart? California charges tax on all online purchases now. |
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| shuie |
Nov 11 2013, 11:26 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 17-May 04 From: baton rouge, la Member No.: 2,075 |
QUOTE(Mike Bellis @ Nov 10 2013, 05:27 PM) California charges tax on all online purchases now. Very well. Paypal sent. |
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McMark Starter Relays Nov 10 2013, 03:16 PM
Spoke I like your re-fit. I want one. Looks very clean.
... Nov 10 2013, 03:39 PM jvmarino I added one to my car a few years back. I still h... Nov 10 2013, 04:16 PM Mike Bellis :agree:
100%
All new cars have a starter relay. T... Nov 10 2013, 04:31 PM jimkelly after getting my v8 engine connected to fuel and w... Nov 10 2013, 04:41 PM Mark Henry Been doing this for 25 years. :) Nov 10 2013, 05:06 PM ConeDodger Yes please. :D Nov 10 2013, 05:10 PM r_towle Why a fuse? Nov 10 2013, 05:38 PM
Spoke
Why a fuse?
I was wondering this too. The only ... Nov 10 2013, 06:17 PM 76-914 Exactly. Nice install. I went the Ford route. +1 Nov 10 2013, 07:14 PM Tom Mark, you are right on with this modification... Nov 10 2013, 07:52 PM jimkelly I assume the high current circuit is grounded thru... Nov 10 2013, 07:53 PM Spoke
I assume the high current circuit is grounded thr... Nov 10 2013, 08:10 PM jimkelly I do see a small wire loop underneath but can... Nov 10 2013, 08:25 PM Elliot Cannon So, where to I hook up the big assed wire that com... Nov 10 2013, 08:58 PM jimkelly I think the big assed wire from battery goes to sa... Nov 10 2013, 09:38 PM Mark Henry
I think the big assed wire from battery goes to s... Nov 10 2013, 09:47 PM jim_hoyland Is that a 3 PIN relay ? Is the clamp The ground ? Nov 10 2013, 09:58 PM Elliot Cannon I have the Ford relay on my car and have had it th... Nov 10 2013, 10:13 PM McMark Ground is the grey wire in the picture. It goes t... Nov 11 2013, 01:30 AM rhodyguy much more slim line than the BIG ford unit. Nov 11 2013, 06:40 AM jimkelly this looped wire must the the 4th wire.
it must c... Nov 11 2013, 07:32 AM type47 ?? If the grey wire is the ground, then the unconn... Nov 11 2013, 07:57 AM jimkelly makes sense.
that spade, I didn't even notice... Nov 11 2013, 08:14 AM URY914 RE: Starter Relays Nov 11 2013, 10:22 AM JStroud Sounds like a good idea, put one with my oil pump ... Nov 11 2013, 11:20 AM Cupomeat :agree: with the decision and engineering to use a... Nov 11 2013, 11:34 AM McMark Heat may be an issue, but then I know relays of th... Nov 11 2013, 11:42 AM Cupomeat
Heat may be an issue, but then I know relays of t... Nov 11 2013, 11:52 AM Tom I ended up putting mine on the relay panel. Used a... Nov 11 2013, 12:49 PM rhodyguy very clever tom. does the board cover still fit? y... Nov 11 2013, 02:32 PM Harpo :agree: however I believe that he was advised agai... Nov 11 2013, 03:02 PM Tom Kevin,
Yes the cover fits just fine. See pic. O... Nov 11 2013, 07:17 PM 76-914 Well, I got one before you stopped :Qarl: I love ... Nov 11 2013, 08:06 PM 02loftsmoor Mark is there anything moving forward making your ... Nov 11 2013, 08:32 PM McMark
Mark is there anything moving forward making your... Nov 11 2013, 09:36 PM larryM old timers like me have been doing this on lots of... Nov 11 2013, 09:10 PM John This thread is real interesting. I have never had... Nov 12 2013, 03:29 PM Mark Henry
This thread is real interesting. I have never ha... Nov 13 2013, 09:07 AM Tom Initial current thru the ignition switch is 35 amp... Nov 12 2013, 07:15 PM rhodyguy tom, if its a liability issue don't bother wit... Nov 13 2013, 07:57 AM Tom Mark henry,
I think you have AMPS and VOLTS mix... Nov 13 2013, 12:46 PM Marty Yeoman I've had one installed in a similar location f... Nov 13 2013, 01:50 PM andys To rig up a non-Ford relay, it should be rated in ... Nov 13 2013, 01:51 PM ClayPerrine I just use a high torque, gear drive starter. The... Nov 13 2013, 05:17 PM Drums66
I just use a high torque, gear drive starter. Th... Nov 13 2013, 09:19 PM dfelz Mark, or anyone else please tell me which numbers ... Nov 14 2013, 12:21 AM type47 30 and 87 is the circuit that you want to supply p... Nov 14 2013, 05:53 AM dfelz
30 and 87 is the circuit that you want to supply ... Nov 14 2013, 09:08 AM Mark Henry
Mark henry,
I think you have AMPS and VOLTS mi... Nov 14 2013, 08:31 AM ripper911 I've had one of these on my car for years. De... Nov 14 2013, 09:30 AM Mark Henry IMHO the Ghia horn relay is a POS for this app.
I ... Nov 14 2013, 09:40 AM worn
I've been meaning to post this for awhile and... Aug 22 2015, 12:15 PM Geezer914 You don't need a ground unless the relay is is... Aug 22 2015, 12:55 PM jimkelly so the ford solenoid has a much bigger load than a... Aug 22 2015, 04:56 PM |
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