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post Feb 24 2014, 06:55 PM
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No Porsche content, but I need some car advice. I have a Volvo S80 work car used to pick people up at the airport, visit customers, that sort of thing. It's nice enough, turbo, a good freeway car, but not much character. I'm retired now and can drive whatever the hell I want, so I'm thinking something with a lot more character, and since I have Triple A with towing I don't need to err on the side of staid and dependable, can walk on the wild side. You'd think that would open things a lot, but I'm having trouble choosing a direction to go, so would appreciate some new ideas. What I most want:
  1. Cheap (the reason I came here for advice). I'm retired, need to conserve those savings.
  2. Some character. Usually that means an older car with good lines.
  3. An athletic car, meaning a lot of power and excellent handling. This is the hard one in older cars.
  4. Smog exempt, which in California means a gasoline car 1975 or older, or a diesel. This
    makes it easier to do an engine conversion.
  5. Hopefully the strength and space to add in a GM LSx motor (that "power" part). Drivetrains
    have evolved a lot over the years, that's a fine engine to mate with a T56.
  6. A four seater. Already have the 914 for thrills so don't need another 2 seater.
  7. Reasonably dependable. The LSx motor/transmission helps, but can't be so exotic
    that no spares are available. Think Alfa, Peugeot.
The "athletic" part pretty much excludes the 50's and 60's American hotrods. I'm aware of ProTouring and like the idea of a Nomad wagon with and LSx and IRS rear conversion, but I can't (or don't want to) afford that. Of course taste is subjective, so to give you a feel for what my taste is, these are cars I've considered and why I rejected:
  • MGB GT with a small block Ford conversion. Nice lines but 2 seater, too much like my 914/WRX.
  • Datsun 2x0Z with a SBC/LSx conversion. Easy V8 but ditto too much like the 914, plus styling is
    Japanese gauche.
  • 65-66 Mustang 2+2. Shelby style is overdone, they still don't handle and too expensive.
  • All other 50's, 60's, 70's American cars. Not golden years for handling.
  • Alfa GTV6 - I like the style, but no V8, transaxle's in the rear and they break a lot.
  • BMW 2002 - Nice car, but would need a newer more powerful engine, and I've already heard
    enough squealing from concours folks. Those Bimmer nuts would be worse..
  • BMW CS3.0 - Ditto 2002 comments. Even nicer car but not affordable.
  • Maverick - Actually pretty nice lines, cheap Mustang performance parts, and could be nice low with
    Recaros, but still a Maverick.
  • Mercedes 80-90's diesels, especially wagons. but they're heavy and US V8's still don't fit easily.
  • Mercedes W123's (late 70's through the mid-80's) Family had these, good cars but heavy, and
    just never liked the style.
  • Peugeot 505 wagon. Had two of these and loved them, but no parts any more so not viable.

Cars that all look good and I'm looking seriously at:
  • Mercedes coupes from the 60's/70's. I like the style, but very difficult to fit a U.S. V8
    and almost no aftermarket suspension performance parts available.
  • Mercedes W124 300TE diesel wagons. Diesel is smog exempt, but still difficult to fit that U.S. V8.
  • Jaguar Mk2 and 1st gen XJ6 sedans. Great looking, easy engine conversions (lots already done), cheap,
    handle well, lots of parts available. Unfortunately English, and Lucas electrics.
  • Jaguar XJ6/12 Coupes, 1976-77. Unfortunately with the U.S. crash stuff these are 500 lbs
    heavier than the earlier cars. Plus they're in the smog years, but I really like the style.
That "possible" list is way short and I need more ideas, so any suggestions? The hard part is taste, of course, everyone's is different, which is why I included that "excluded" list with comments, to give you a feel for mine. Any ideas appreciated.


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post Feb 24 2014, 07:22 PM
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V8 into a Volvo 122S wagon (or 2-door sedan), ipd bars, bilstein shocks, big brakes, etc.

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If you start with a Volvo diesel, you can move up to a little more modern car (like a 245 diesel wagon)--again ipd bars, bilstein shocks and struts, etc. Ford 5.0 and GM motors both fit. here's mine (right after I did the swap):

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I think 1983 was about the last year on the 2-series diesel . . . .

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V8 into a Volvo 122S wagon (or 2-door sedan), ipd bars, bilstein shocks, big brakes, etc.

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If you start with a Volvo diesel, you can move up to a little more modern car (like a 245 diesel wagon)--again ipd bars, bilstein shocks and struts, etc. Ford 5.0 and GM motors both fit. here's mine (right after I did the swap):

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I think 1983 was about the last year on the 2-series diesel . . . .

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Close,... but NO. Too front heavy. The 240 V8 conversions handle like dump trucks, even with the mentioned upgrades, and the earlier cars are even worse. For the last ten years I've put the mid 90's turbo engines, (B230ft) into late 60's and early 70's Volvo 140's. 142 or 145 cars. They go like CRAZY and are far lighter than the 240's and have several refinements over the 122's. I've had my turboed 140's up to 130 mph and that car was NOT inter-cooled. I have my current,(73) 142 with the same swap and it should easily go 150 mph AND being a lot lighter than a 90's,(740,940) turbo cars it gets up to speed QUICKLY . I've never had more fun than driving my 140 late engined turboed cars! I also didn't have to "hack" the car to do it. Just a thought.
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DBCooper   Need Direction, Which New (used) Car Project?   Feb 24 2014, 06:55 PM
anderssj   V8 into a Volvo 122S wagon (or 2-door sedan), ipd ...   Feb 24 2014, 07:22 PM
914bub   V8 into a Volvo 122S wagon (or 2-door sedan), ipd...   Feb 24 2014, 11:14 PM
damesandhotrods   I wouldn’t be so quick to plan on ripping out a ...   Feb 24 2014, 08:00 PM
flipb   I kind of dig the Jaguar 420, in between the Mk2 a...   Feb 24 2014, 08:10 PM
r_towle   Early unibody camaro? Full frame bolt on upgrade....   Feb 24 2014, 08:50 PM
Mike Sanford   I keep telling the wife, that if I ever need a fou...   Feb 24 2014, 10:36 PM
Jeffs9146   I loved my 242 with IPD suspension and a late mode...   Feb 24 2014, 11:50 PM
billh1963   Don't be so quick to discount English cars. Mo...   Feb 25 2014, 05:36 AM
balljoint   '74 VW Scirroco   Feb 25 2014, 06:11 AM
KELTY360   An often overlooked car that also makes the 'u...   Feb 25 2014, 09:12 PM
mgp4591   An often overlooked car that also makes the ...   Feb 26 2014, 08:49 AM
Ferg   Newer, but fun cheap drivers nonetheless. 300zx ...   Feb 25 2014, 09:30 PM
r_towle   We'll, if we are going there.... E34 M5 BMW.....   Feb 25 2014, 09:34 PM
Ferg   Pre 75 Ford Falcon/Mercury Comet with 302 swap F...   Feb 25 2014, 09:35 PM
boxsterfan   Datsun 510. http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/p...   Feb 25 2014, 09:51 PM
Andyrew   Your best bet for a budget fun build car would be ...   Feb 25 2014, 10:55 PM
rnellums   Jensen Interceptor? Rare, certainly has character...   Feb 25 2014, 11:44 PM
KELTY360   Jensen Interceptor? Rare, certainly has characte...   Feb 25 2014, 11:51 PM
rnellums   Mopar engine, right? Chrysler v8   Feb 25 2014, 11:52 PM
rnellums   Also, someone is making a bolt in AWD for an origi...   Feb 26 2014, 12:00 AM
messix   go get a 1973-75 A-body chevelle, Malibu, cutlass,...   Feb 26 2014, 12:01 AM
ruby914   Here you go, the car I was looking at get before I...   Feb 26 2014, 01:39 AM
Chris H.   Always liked the 2nd gen Chevy II Nova. A lot lik...   Feb 26 2014, 07:39 AM
bulitt   Ford Capri- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_...   Feb 26 2014, 08:25 AM
Chris H.   Ford Capri- http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads...   Feb 26 2014, 09:17 AM
ruby914   [quote name='bulitt' post='2003355' date='Feb 26 ...   Feb 26 2014, 12:04 PM
rhodyguy   nissan 240sx. the LE flavor. LOTS of engine choise...   Feb 26 2014, 11:37 AM
boxsterfan   1976 Mustang II Cobra http://www.curbsideclassic....   Feb 26 2014, 11:49 AM
914mikee100   It may not have the lines you are looking for, but...   Feb 26 2014, 11:58 AM
cary   Datsun 510   Feb 27 2014, 09:34 AM
cwpeden   Come to my neighbourhood and take away one of the ...   Feb 27 2014, 09:59 AM
DBCooper   Ha ha, we have a homeowner's association here ...   Feb 27 2014, 11:32 AM
Chris H.   So....did you buy this DB? There are a couple on ...   Jul 8 2014, 09:24 AM


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