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> Strange MPS issue, Lew's car
914itis
post Apr 15 2014, 04:22 PM
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I am helping Brian with Lew's car. As most of you may know, it is a 2056 with djet.
The car was running fine, he drive it to CT one day and when he came back he noticed that the MPS was hanging. The car starts to run on 3 cylinders with #4 not firing. We checked for spark and injectors they are all fine, but if you remove spark wire #4, it had no effect.

The strange thing is if you elevate the mps about 6 inches up, it's all fine, even that 4th cyl works. All the electrical wires on the unit are fine

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Dies the 2056 uses 1.7 or 2.0 MPS?

He would like to make it to Hershey.
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post Apr 29 2014, 06:15 PM
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You've had several very knowledgeable people tell you to check your diz,
so why don't you? One thing to rule out.
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post Apr 30 2014, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(The Cabinetmaker @ Apr 29 2014, 08:15 PM) *

You've had several very knowledgeable people tell you to check your diz,
so why don't you? One thing to rule out.



There clearly seems to be a misunderstanding here.


The initial problem (engine running on 3 cylinders) had nothing to do with the dizzy. Read the thread.


The high idle may ABSOLUTELY have something to do with it.

I have not had any time to go to the garage (I live in NYC, remember, my garage is not connected to my house--it is 15 minutes away) and my work has kept me incredibly busy.

I'm not resistant to checking the dizzy! Sheesh!
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post Apr 30 2014, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(achman_73_2.0 @ Apr 30 2014, 09:22 AM) *

QUOTE(The Cabinetmaker @ Apr 29 2014, 08:15 PM) *

You've had several very knowledgeable people tell you to check your diz,
so why don't you? One thing to rule out.



There clearly seems to be a misunderstanding here.


The initial problem (engine running on 3 cylinders) had nothing to do with the dizzy. Read the thread.


The high idle may ABSOLUTELY have something to do with it.

I have not had any time to go to the garage (I live in NYC, remember, my garage is not connected to my house--it is 15 minutes away) and my work has kept me incredibly busy.

I'm not resistant to checking the dizzy! Sheesh!
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Actually the MPS can have an impact on both even if it isn't a prime suspect.

The MPS can make the car go lean. Somewhere during the adjustment of my own 2056 MPS I went way lean and produced an explosion that tore open a previously healthy muffler. I suspect a backfire, cause I heard popping at the time.

Any vacuum leak will cause high idle. The engine will respond to more air by giving more fuel and that will be that. The MPS hose is one of several that go to the manifold downstream of the throttle butterfly. If my idle will not go down the first suspect on my list is a vacuum leak.

When I first got my car it ran horrible all the way from Baltimore to Madison. I ended up stripping down and cleaning the entire induction system. It certainly needed it - the car had sat for almost 20 years. In my case the fuel regulator was stuck shut so the injectors were seeing 90 psi pump pressure. A bit, uhmm rich. The car ran for several years quite well even though I ultimately discovered the diaphragm in the MPS was cracked. Thank heavens for Racer Chris. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)
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914itis   Strange MPS issue   Apr 15 2014, 04:22 PM
r_towle   If he lifts up the MPS it runs fine? Is there oil ...   Apr 15 2014, 04:47 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   a 2.0L MPS is necessary for the 2056 recalibration...   Apr 15 2014, 05:01 PM
Mblizzard   a 2.0L MPS is necessary for the 2056 recalibratio...   Apr 15 2014, 07:31 PM
914itis   I wouldn't say intermittent, it only runs righ...   Apr 15 2014, 07:12 PM
achman_73_2.0   I wouldn't say intermittent, it only runs rig...   Apr 15 2014, 08:54 PM
achman_73_2.0   I wouldn't say intermittent, it only runs ri...   Apr 15 2014, 08:57 PM
914_teener   I have always thought the two MPS bodies of the 1....   Apr 15 2014, 09:25 PM
914itis   I have always thought the two MPS bodies of the 1...   Apr 15 2014, 09:40 PM
r_towle   I have always thought the two MPS bodies of the ...   Apr 28 2014, 10:25 AM
achman_73_2.0   [quote name='914itis' post='2025345' date='Apr 15...   Apr 28 2014, 02:41 PM
914itis   [quote name='914itis' post='2025345' date='Apr 1...   Apr 28 2014, 02:52 PM
76-914   EMF. It's sensitive to spark plug wires. Rerou...   Apr 15 2014, 09:33 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Those exposed wires in the harness concern me. Br...   Apr 15 2014, 10:03 PM
Bleyseng   Those exposed wires in the harness concern me. B...   Apr 16 2014, 04:01 AM
Dave_Darling   One curious thing that I found--the MPS can be sen...   Apr 16 2014, 08:35 AM
achman_73_2.0   One curious thing that I found--the MPS can be se...   Apr 16 2014, 10:07 AM
Dave_Darling   This all started when I came home from a drive to...   Apr 16 2014, 05:08 PM
914itis   This all started when I came home from a drive t...   Apr 16 2014, 05:32 PM
achman_73_2.0   [quote name='Dave_Darling' post='2025699' date='A...   Apr 16 2014, 08:08 PM
worn   Pretty bummed, but looks like I may be taking t...   Apr 28 2014, 12:06 PM
SLITS   You need a vacuum pump and volt/ohm meter ...........   Apr 16 2014, 11:17 AM
914_teener   I would talk to Jeff Bowlsby.... Try and have him...   Apr 16 2014, 09:26 PM
914_teener   Did you test it as Slit's suggested?   Apr 16 2014, 09:31 PM
r_towle   You are not looking for water in the plenum, you a...   Apr 16 2014, 09:48 PM
achman_73_2.0   FIXED! So I was finally able to go to the gar...   Apr 28 2014, 07:23 AM
r_towle   FIXED! So I was finally able to go to the ga...   Apr 28 2014, 08:23 AM
914itis   I read your email late last night. That's grea...   Apr 28 2014, 07:28 AM
Big Len   Glad to hear it !!   Apr 28 2014, 07:39 AM
Mblizzard   Also make sure you are connecting the vacuum corre...   Apr 28 2014, 10:18 AM
worn   Also make sure you are connecting the vacuum corr...   Apr 28 2014, 08:51 PM
achman_73_2.0   Also make sure you are connecting the vacuum cor...   Apr 29 2014, 09:18 AM
914_teener   "I did a lot of inductance graphing and I sus...   Apr 28 2014, 02:13 PM
76-914   set your valves 1st, then time it. good job! ...   Apr 28 2014, 03:14 PM
r_towle   Mps has no impact on pinging or detonation.   Apr 28 2014, 06:10 PM
The Cabinetmaker   "Either the wiring of the #4 injector to the ...   Apr 28 2014, 06:58 PM
achman_73_2.0   "Either the wiring of the #4 injector to the...   Apr 29 2014, 09:16 AM
worn   "Either the wiring of the #4 injector to th...   Apr 29 2014, 09:49 AM
achman_73_2.0   [quote name='achman_73_2.0' post='2030859' date='...   Apr 29 2014, 02:32 PM
914_teener   When I read the post and suggestions......there ar...   Apr 29 2014, 09:41 AM
achman_73_2.0   When I read the post and suggestions......there a...   Apr 29 2014, 02:33 PM
914_teener   When I read the post and suggestions......there ...   Apr 29 2014, 03:02 PM
achman_73_2.0   [quote name='achman_73_2.0' post='2030977' date='...   Apr 30 2014, 11:18 AM
Dave_Darling   The MPS can affect detonation. An overly-lean mix...   Apr 29 2014, 12:48 PM
achman_73_2.0   The MPS can affect detonation. An overly-lean mi...   Apr 29 2014, 02:35 PM
r_towle   Detonation, or pre-ignition, is typically cause by...   Apr 29 2014, 06:02 PM
The Cabinetmaker   You've had several very knowledgeable people t...   Apr 29 2014, 06:15 PM
achman_73_2.0   You've had several very knowledgeable people ...   Apr 30 2014, 11:22 AM
worn   You've had several very knowledgeable people...   Apr 30 2014, 11:35 AM
achman_73_2.0   [quote name='achman_73_2.0' post='2031371' date='...   Apr 30 2014, 05:12 PM


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