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> Ford 9" Transaxle, the lack of
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post Oct 13 2013, 06:45 PM
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Hello World.
I posted 1st as a reply to Marcus C6.
How difficult would it be to
fabricate a transaxle that can carry the Ford 9"
ring + pinion?I have viewed Currie's site and see no
mention anywhere online of such a contraption.
A ZF from a Pantera approaches the torque capacity,
the original GT40's box was a Hewland race piece.
(Edit#2:on research,a Colotti tx was used on the 289
mk1's,still in business.)
http://www.colotti.com/
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(Edit:Later a KarKraft tx was used,perhaps some
production parts)
Are there any foundrymen on the 914W site?
And of course the latemodel Porsche TX's are works of art.
Could there possibly be a demand for such a high load TX?
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The Aussie car nut behind a failed 1980s Alfa-based supercar is spending $1million building a twin V8 mid-engine supercar
Almost 30 years after the first attempt sent him broke, 67-year-old businessman Paul Halstead is having a second crack at the 'Great Aussie Mid-Engined Supercar'.
Currently the managing director of IT recruitment specialist Adaps, Halstead achieved notoriety during the 1980s when he unleashed a 5.0-litre Holden V8-powered version of Alfa Romeo's lightweight Sprint coupe onto the local market. Called the Giocattolo, which means plaything in Italian, just 15 of the $90,000, mid-engine rockets were built before he wound up the operation after four years and $4 million out of pocket.
More recently Halstead, under his auto design side business HAL, unveiled a stunning, hand-built Monaro show car at the 2009 Melbourne Motor Show, complete with pumped-up body, full custom interior and 427 Corvette engine.
Now the Melbourne-based IT guru has turned his attention to creating a world-class, mid-engined supercar that he hopes to debut (and win) at the prestigious Ridler hot rod awards in the US in about three years' time.
While it's early days – the only evidence on display at his workshop in Melbourne's western suburbs when motoring.com.au dropped by recently for a sneak peek being a V8 Supercar-style six-speed sequential transmission, two 7.0-litre V8 blocks bolted together and some preliminary CAD drawings – it's obvious this is no backyard, penny-pinching project.
A set of half-scale sketches reveal a very modern, curvaceous and low slung silhouette in the latest supercar mould. It's clear Halstead, who conceived the design, had a range of influences from the three-seat McLaren F1 to the Maserati Birdcage 75th concept car.
Aiming for the "highest, highest tech", Halstead says the carbon-fibre/kevlar body will be just 1.1m high, featuring a sliding, jet fighter-style glass canopy but no doors.
"The reason for (a doorless body) is that you save an enormous amount of structural strength and eliminate weight by not having a door in the side of it," he says.
Like the McLaren F1, the cosy cockpit will have three staggered seats, including a central driver's perch. Clambering over the 80cm high sill, you'll need to fold over and click into position a "curved alloy structure" that holds the steering wheel and instruments before blasting off towards the horizon.
However, it's his version of a 'V16' – two Chevy V8 blocks bolted together side-by-side on 45 degree angles that he describes as "complete madness".
"People think two V8s is going to be massive, but they're not. They're rolled over at 45 degrees," he says, partly in order to keep the two crankshafts together. Utilising two dry sump systems and a 'trick' transfer case, 1200hp (895kW) from the twin, 7.0-litre engines will be funnelled through the six-speed sequential 'box which, unlike the V8 Supercar version, is adapted for the mid-engine layout including a polished billet casing and limited slip differential.
Halstead says his solution to the age-old hot rod dilemma of running two V8s together is a "really tidy solution" that's "never been done before".
"It's not much different to a (Bugatti) Veyron motor. The Veyron is a V16, but in effect they used the V8 VW engines and they put them on a single crank. I couldn't afford to do that, so this is just slightly wider than that, but apart from that it's quite similar."
With $100,000 invested already, mainly on the transmission, he describes the ambitious project as "frightfully expensive".
"The next stage is to build a mock tub out of MDF, then send it away and have it done in carbon," he explains.
Former McLaren F1 engineer Barry Lock, who also worked on the Giocattolo, will look after the suspension, while the envisaged 320km/h-plus supercar will ride on 20 x 13-inch wheels.
Like the Giocattolo and many Ferraris, the bespoke engine and other internals will be on full view outside. "You'll be able to look in the front of it and see the driver's feet, and the AP racing pedals will be visible, and the (carbon fibre) tub won't all be covered in..."
It's not all show though, with the dramatic, deep-set vents and tunnels along the body, together with front and rear radiators, vital for keeping everything running smoothly. "One of the biggest problems we've got is cooling it," he says.
Although likely to be a one-off, Halstead's supercar will be "production ready", with safety features and modern comforts including air-conditioning.
"We're not worried about compliance rules but we are worried about delivering something that is sensible," he says.
This time around he's only willing to blow $1million on his vision, and says it's more about "having a bit of fun".
"I enjoy the build as much as anything. I certainly won't be putting up millions of dollars again, it's too hard. But maybe a Roger Penske might be interested (investing in a production version)."
Like the dazzling blue HAL Monaro, the finishing touch will be a unique House of Kolor paintjob, designed to impress the Ridler judges.
"Ridler is the objective if it's good enough... even getting into the top 10 is a big deal," he says. "What they're on about is hot rod flavour, with perfect finish."
Looking over Halstead's other 'toys' in his spacious workshop, it's obvious he has an insatiable need for speed. His small but memorable collection includes a 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda, custom Victory motorbike, and a stunning French Blue Lamborghini Diablo with carbon fibre interior retrim.
Then there's the unbeaten De Tomaso Pantera race car, which Halstead built at the time he was supplying locally-built 5.8-litre Ford V8s to the Italian supercar manufacturer. Originally raced by Kevin Bartlett in the Australian GT Championship, the ground-hugging 'White Panther' still sees action in historic racing, with Larry Perkins behind the wheel, as Halstead continues to chase the 'class' lap record at Phillip Island.
He also owns the black 'No.11' Giocattolo, which he has further tweaked over the years for increased performance. "This is so quick... because it's only 1000kg it's very, very light, and it has a full (6.6-litre) race engine..."
I wasted a lot of money, and went broke building these back in the '80s..." he recalls wistfully.
There's a sense of unfinished business with Halstead's latest build, and when he finally finishes it around 2016, it's not surprising he's considering naming it Giocattolo.
"We don't know what it will be called yet. It may be a Giocattolo again, because that gives it a bit more providence, and it sort of flows on from the Giocattolo that we did before..."

Journalists,automotive and otherwise and their editors forever are taking cheap shots at entrepreneurs with the "nut" word.
Henry Ford,Enzo Ferrari and you.An asshole with a mike and a camera at the SEMA show is a good example of that kind of twit.
An Aussie that has the resources to do what he can is perhaps the reason for the petty words motivated by jealousy.
I wonder what the car will look like,a Uracco design for 4 passengers perhaps?

(edit:11/26/15)
http://www.streetmachine.com.au/features/1...tory/halstead-9



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veekry9   Ford 9" Transaxle   Oct 13 2013, 06:45 PM
kg6dxn   Why not just buy one of these? The R&D is alre...   Oct 13 2013, 07:04 PM
veekry9   Why not just buy one of these? The R&D is alr...   Oct 14 2013, 08:06 PM
914forme   :agree: Or go with an Audi R10 unit.   Oct 13 2013, 07:09 PM
DBCooper   What's the point of a ring and pinion that is ...   Oct 13 2013, 07:37 PM
veekry9   A blown/turbo Porsche or other V8 would likely sna...   Oct 14 2013, 06:36 PM
jimkelly   pic   Oct 14 2013, 06:47 PM
veekry9   Wot duh fouk!! lessee: SBC 400+cid headers...   Oct 14 2013, 07:15 PM
jimkelly   the car went thru many revisions. http://www.yout...   Oct 14 2013, 07:31 PM
r_towle   Sick   Oct 14 2013, 07:34 PM
veekry9   Yeah I remember that car I call it the DragPanzer...   Oct 14 2013, 07:48 PM
Dave_Darling   That's an absurd amount of work. Just get a M...   Oct 14 2013, 08:40 PM
messix   if you intend on drag racing a 914...... well good...   Oct 14 2013, 10:31 PM
bulitt   Ferrari 512bb put the boxer 12 over the top of the...   Oct 15 2013, 04:23 AM
Evil914   Ferrari 512bb put the boxer 12 over the top of th...   Nov 10 2013, 09:21 PM
DBCooper   We've asked what horsepower and what applicati...   Oct 15 2013, 06:47 AM
SLITS   SBC 400+cid headers,cam,750holley largerunner mani...   Oct 15 2013, 09:58 AM
andys   Read this one held 1100HP. It has your 9" An...   Oct 15 2013, 10:23 AM
bulitt   looks like a Tim Allen belt sander.   Oct 15 2013, 12:45 PM
Dr Evil   Hmmmm :popcorn:   Oct 15 2013, 01:26 PM
messix   that would stick out the back of a 914 and more th...   Oct 15 2013, 02:15 PM
veekry9   Yeah. It really is the pursuit of a less expensive...   Oct 15 2013, 05:46 PM
DBCooper   So you don't have an actual application? Ther...   Oct 15 2013, 07:51 PM
veekry9   The application of course is the radical modificat...   Oct 15 2013, 09:02 PM
veekry9   Hello all. I recalled this guy whose work is reall...   Oct 17 2013, 06:10 PM
ThePaintedMan   So let me get this straight, you're going to c...   Oct 17 2013, 06:20 PM
veekry9   So let me get this straight, you're going to ...   Oct 17 2013, 06:42 PM
veekry9   Hello Has anyone here attempted to adapt 944/951/9...   Oct 17 2013, 08:10 PM
scotty b   First off there is no provision for a starter .......   Oct 17 2013, 08:15 PM
veekry9   Hmmm No starter? Not an unsolvable problem as a hi...   Oct 17 2013, 08:22 PM
kg6dxn   The 944 transaxle is almost the same as the VW Fox...   Oct 17 2013, 09:16 PM
Dr Evil   Man, I so want to mess with one of those, Mike. Wh...   Oct 18 2013, 01:34 PM
veekry9   This is great info. Things I need to know before I...   Oct 18 2013, 03:43 PM
veekry9   Allo. After some searching about,I rediscovered t...   Oct 21 2013, 06:00 PM
veekry9   Allo. After some searching about,I rediscovered ...   Oct 23 2013, 01:05 PM
SirAndy   By the way,How does this look to you all? Hate tho...   Oct 25 2013, 04:15 PM
veekry9   By the way,How does this look to you all? Hate th...   Oct 25 2013, 05:14 PM
veekry9   [quote name='SirAndy' post='1946585' date='Oct 25...   Oct 29 2013, 09:10 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='veekry9' post='1946599' date='Oct 25...   Oct 29 2013, 10:13 PM
veekry9   [quote name='veekry9' post='1946599' date='Oct 2...   Nov 1 2013, 01:33 PM
iamchappy   I know that driveway. :D A little different treat...   Jan 13 2015, 08:17 PM
veekry9   Years ago this fella needed a 5spd ford toploader,...   Oct 22 2013, 08:56 PM
veekry9   Another   Oct 25 2013, 03:44 PM
kg6dxn   From experience, your inlet need to be only half t...   Oct 25 2013, 05:28 PM
Andyrew   ^This. When you have an inlet bigger than your out...   Oct 25 2013, 05:45 PM
veekry9   Ah you see? The objective of the dual rad install ...   Oct 25 2013, 06:08 PM
Dave_Darling   The 2cooler approach has it's own difficultie...   Oct 25 2013, 06:32 PM
SirAndy   That's basically where the headlight lives whe...   Oct 25 2013, 07:17 PM
veekry9   The 2cooler approach has it's own difficulti...   Oct 25 2013, 07:22 PM
Andyrew   Small dual radiators will be a PITA for a v8. If y...   Oct 27 2013, 10:02 AM
veekry9   Small dual radiators will be a PITA for a v8. If ...   Oct 27 2013, 02:53 PM
veekry9   Anyone here ever attempt there 944 trailing arm in...   Oct 27 2013, 05:17 PM
Dave_Darling   You need a bunch more parts to use the 944 trailin...   Oct 27 2013, 09:27 PM
DBCooper   Those trailing arms are late 951 and with some eff...   Oct 28 2013, 06:51 AM
brant   A lot of fantasy talk. Actually building any one o...   Oct 28 2013, 06:57 AM
veekry9   Having discovered 'yesterday' that 944/951...   Oct 28 2013, 04:10 PM
scotty b   Having discovered yesterday that a 951 trailing a...   Oct 29 2013, 08:29 PM
Dr Evil   Saw this and made me think of this thread :shades...   Oct 28 2013, 08:56 PM
veekry9   Saw this and made me think of this thread :shade...   Oct 29 2013, 08:12 PM
r_towle   Saw this and made me think of this thread :shade...   Nov 1 2013, 03:16 PM
veekry9   [quote name='Dr Evil' post='1948315' date='Oct 2...   Sep 6 2014, 05:08 AM
veekry9   Ah so: A torque tube with transverse torsion bars....   Oct 29 2013, 08:54 PM
synackack   I've been thinking about a mendeola transmissi...   Oct 29 2013, 11:58 PM
DBCooper   Nah, not worth it. Hey Veek. As a means of intro...   Oct 30 2013, 07:12 AM
Mark Henry   As a means of introduction could I suggest that ...   Oct 30 2013, 07:29 AM
veekry9   As a means of introduction could I suggest that...   Nov 1 2013, 01:13 PM
brant   The 944/911 did it for packaging purposes. It wasn...   Oct 30 2013, 08:10 AM
Dr Evil   That poor car :(   Nov 1 2013, 01:56 PM
DBCooper   That poor car :( Poor car? Poor cat!   Nov 1 2013, 01:59 PM
veekry9   That poor car :( The car in question is a digit...   Nov 1 2013, 03:11 PM
veekry9   Thanks Mike. I could not believe that the task had...   Nov 4 2013, 07:51 PM
duckles   The McKee may be of interest to this brave quest. ...   Nov 5 2013, 04:33 AM
veekry9   The McKee may be of interest to this brave quest....   Nov 5 2013, 01:08 PM
r_towle   Seems to me the weak spots could be engineered out...   Nov 5 2013, 04:37 AM
914forme   No matter what you build there will always be a we...   Nov 5 2013, 06:52 AM
veekry9   Sure,it's possible.. [url=http://www.gt40s.c...   Sep 4 2014, 06:13 PM
veekry9   XLXUJy7KhBc Turns out the 944S2 tx is plenty torqu...   Sep 5 2014, 12:36 AM
scotty b   so have you started building your car yet ? :conf...   Sep 5 2014, 06:36 AM
veekry9   so have you started building your car yet ? :con...   Sep 5 2014, 09:37 AM
DBCooper   He didn't ask you'd bought a car yet, he a...   Sep 5 2014, 03:37 PM
scotty b   He didn't ask you'd bought a car yet, he ...   Sep 5 2014, 03:52 PM
veekry9   ask a redundant question.. if it's inconvenien...   Sep 6 2014, 01:50 AM
veekry9   Post #76156 Other than the pix, any further info...   Sep 6 2014, 03:32 AM
veekry9   [url=http://www.go2hal.com/index.html]http://www....   Sep 6 2014, 03:42 AM
veekry9   [url=http://blastoland.com/blastoland/BLASTOLAND_...   Sep 6 2014, 05:39 AM
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veekry9   some time later.. How to make a 944S2/951S tx live...   Sep 9 2014, 02:38 PM
veekry9   [url=http://www.gt40s.com/forum/gt40-tech-power...   Sep 14 2014, 11:08 AM
veekry9   GT40-MK IV FE 427 Karkraft T44 TX It's a b...   Sep 19 2014, 06:20 AM
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veekry9   https://griffingearboxes.com/Mid-Engine_Transaxles...   Nov 25 2015, 11:29 AM
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