Original 6's for sale, - I have my doubts |
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Original 6's for sale, - I have my doubts |
mepstein |
Dec 26 2014, 08:40 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,516 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Does anyone but me feel like there are more original 6's than is expected. Rust and crashes must have taken out quite a few over the years. I have no proof, just a feeling...
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Larmo63 |
Dec 27 2014, 12:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,267 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
So, I can't just rivet on a couple of ID plates and do a 911 steering column and have a real 914-6?
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Johny Blackstain |
Dec 27 2014, 01:19 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
So, I can't just rivet on a couple of ID plates and do a 911 steering column and have a real 914-6? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Nope. Steering column & tumbler lock (therefore wiring too). No right side dash vent or the vent plumbing to go with it, therefore bigger glove box (they might have added the vent & smaller box in 72 but I'm not sure). Sixes also have a VIN that start w/ "914" so the number stamped on the right front fender would have to be changed as well as the matching plate & door jamb sticker. Plate up front also says Porsche, not VW so good luck finding a new one of those. Headlight covers/wraps would have to be white, not black. Then there's the throttle lever as well, although those seem to be available. No 4 cylinder engine mounts or motor bar, six mounts welded to the firewall. A COA would confirm the engine serial number in a heartbeat so you'd have to state it's not the original engine. Unobtanium rear six brakes also required, along w/ all 4 wheels being converted to 5 lug. Rear trunk chassis number has to be in the middle rear, not right rear corner. In other words, it would take a boatload of work & "forgery" to turn a 4 into a fake 6. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things as well that more knowledgeable people can point out. |
mepstein |
Dec 27 2014, 03:20 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,516 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
So, I can't just rivet on a couple of ID plates and do a 911 steering column and have a real 914-6? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) Nope. Steering column & tumbler lock (therefore wiring too). No right side dash vent or the vent plumbing to go with it, therefore bigger glove box (they might have added the vent & smaller box in 72 but I'm not sure). Sixes also have a VIN that start w/ "914" so the number stamped on the right front fender would have to be changed as well as the matching plate & door jamb sticker. Plate up front also says Porsche, not VW so good luck finding a new one of those. Headlight covers/wraps would have to be white, not black. Then there's the throttle lever as well, although those seem to be available. No 4 cylinder engine mounts or motor bar, six mounts welded to the firewall. A COA would confirm the engine serial number in a heartbeat so you'd have to state it's not the original engine. Unobtanium rear six brakes also required, along w/ all 4 wheels being converted to 5 lug. Rear trunk chassis number has to be in the middle rear, not right rear corner. In other words, it would take a boatload of work & "forgery" to turn a 4 into a fake 6. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things as well that more knowledgeable people can point out. If I had a trashed 6 and an early 4 body. I could have it done and it would be invisible to all but a few. And those few would have to look REALLY hard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Johny Blackstain |
Dec 27 2014, 03:37 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If I had a trashed 6 and an early 4 body. I could have it done and it would be invisible to all but a few. And those few would have to look REALLY hard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't say it couldn't be done, but you're talking a boatload of work & after all that labor you have to wonder if you'd break even, much less make a profit. It's expensive enough to fix a rustbucket, & finding all the right 6 parts is going to cost you plenty more on top of all the other work. Oh yea, I forgot the windshield VIN plate before. |
mepstein |
Dec 27 2014, 03:58 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,516 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If I had a trashed 6 and an early 4 body. I could have it done and it would be invisible to all but a few. And those few would have to look REALLY hard. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I didn't say it couldn't be done, but you're talking a boatload of work & after all that labor you have to wonder if you'd break even, much less make a profit. It's expensive enough to fix a rustbucket, & finding all the right 6 parts is going to cost you plenty more on top of all the other work. Your not quite getting me. Start out with a rusty or bent orig 6. Switch all the parts and the unique sheet metal bits. I know it's done. I wonder how often. |
Johny Blackstain |
Dec 27 2014, 04:06 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Your not quite getting me. Start out with a rusty or bent orig 6. Switch all the parts and the unique sheet metal bits. I know it's done. I wonder how often. I get ya, but so much work would have to exceed the value of the car, no? Cutting out the stamped VIN & chassis numbers, & then welding them into the 4, w/out damaging them, grinding down the weld seams... you could do a fabulous job, but after all that work could you make a profit? After all that work, would you want to sell her? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
mepstein |
Dec 27 2014, 04:27 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,516 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Your not quite getting me. Start out with a rusty or bent orig 6. Switch all the parts and the unique sheet metal bits. I know it's done. I wonder how often. I get ya, but so much work would have to exceed the value of the car, no? Cutting out the stamped VIN & chassis numbers, & then welding them into the 4, w/out damaging them, grinding down the weld seams... you could do a fabulous job, but after all that work could you make a profit? After all that work, would you want to sell her? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That would cost a couple hundred dollars-1k to make it perfect. |
Johny Blackstain |
Dec 27 2014, 04:34 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
That would cost a couple hundred dollars-1k to make it perfect. Well, w/ what you've posted & Andy posted I guess I'm wrong & you could make a profit doing it then, and it is done. However it's still so much work I'd want to keep it for myself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
mepstein |
Dec 27 2014, 05:33 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,516 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
That would cost a couple hundred dollars-1k to make it perfect. Well, w/ what you've posted & Andy posted I guess I'm wrong & you could make a profit doing it then, and it is done. However it's still so much work I'd want to keep it for myself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) And by the way, full disclosure, my six conversion car "Mepstein build thread" is a vin switch. The shop that built it used an early body and a 74 vin. I don't know why. |
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