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02loftsmoor
post Jan 10 2015, 01:40 PM
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I'm check on going with distributor-less ignition system, some pointers please
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post Jan 15 2015, 04:57 PM
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I suppose it depends on what "complicated" is to you. I mean "you" generally, not any specific members of this forum. I'd rather fill out and modify a table on a laptop than buy springs, diaphragms and jets, bend over a 914 engine bay and huff gas fumes. But that's my preference. I like the immediate gratification and feedback of programmable engine management, and auto-tuning and tweaking fuel maps with wideband O2 is a pretty cool and empowering backyard tuning experience.

I'm not a tuning pro nor am I here to argue or convince anyone of anything. If the topic of FI and programmable spark are of interest to you, do some research, then have some fun learning and doing something new. Seriously, nothing about mucking with an engine is cheap or easy.

I found Cramer's book to be a good read when I was doing my first tuning, probably a good starting point for anyone interested in the topic.
http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/perform...ooks-p-436.html
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post Jan 15 2015, 08:42 PM
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I suppose it depends on what "complicated" is to you. I mean "you" generally, not any specific members of this forum. I'd rather fill out and modify a table on a laptop than buy springs, diaphragms and jets, bend over a 914 engine bay and huff gas fumes. But that's my preference. I like the immediate gratification and feedback of programmable engine management, and auto-tuning and tweaking fuel maps with wideband O2 is a pretty cool and empowering backyard tuning experience.

I'm not a tuning pro nor am I here to argue or convince anyone of anything. If the topic of FI and programmable spark are of interest to you, do some research, then have some fun learning and doing something new. Seriously, nothing about mucking with an engine is cheap or easy.

I found Cramer's book to be a good read when I was doing my first tuning, probably a good starting point for anyone interested in the topic.
http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/perform...ooks-p-436.html


Well yes it is my opinion but this is what I base it upon:

30+ years VW engine building, 25 years performance engine building.

I was one of the first here playing with programmable fuel injection with crankfire ignition, I turned Jake Raby onto SDS at least a dozen years ago (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
I've also built a few performance engines, I'd say there's only a few guys here that have built more.

My personal 1967 bug Engine
2.6L T4 engine conversion, handmade shroud
SDS EFI with crankfire, WMS wideband
46mm ITB's custom modified from suzuki TB's, 55lbs deka injectors, custom linkage and fuel rails
102X78mm, CB rods, all german bearings
914 heads 44X38mm SI valves, 12mm plugs opened to 103 built by me,
dual springs, Berg CrMo retainers and keepers, manton pushrods, 911 adjusters, spacers
102mm Nickies with custom pocket JE's and oil pin oiling mod
webcam, ceramic lifters,
Full flow oiling system, 30mm type 1 pump, remote filter, custom windage tray
A1 header, custom engine bar
911-901 trans

I also built another engine with almost the exact same specs as this one (103X78mm) except 44 webers and mallory distributor. The engines were very similar I say the carb engine had a hair more top end power while my FI engine had a bit better fuel mileage.
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02loftsmoor   distributor-less ignition   Jan 10 2015, 01:40 PM
McMark   Micro squirt running ignition only would be my rou...   Jan 10 2015, 01:49 PM
jarred   A slightly self-serving reply... I vote megasquir...   Jan 10 2015, 01:55 PM
DBCooper   A slightly self-serving reply... I vote megasqui...   Jan 11 2015, 09:41 AM
stugray   You could use a MSD with crank trigger and coil-on...   Jan 10 2015, 01:58 PM
mikesmith   I'm check on going with distributor-less igni...   Jan 10 2015, 02:12 PM
02loftsmoor   I'm check on going with distributor-less ign...   Jan 11 2015, 09:29 AM
mikesmith   Knowing what your goals are would help folks mak...   Jan 11 2015, 12:58 PM
jarred   Quick correction: the megajolt only uses a 36-1 tr...   Jan 11 2015, 10:46 AM
stugray   Quick correction: the megajolt only uses a 36-1 t...   Jan 11 2015, 01:52 PM
WLD419   For twin spark on a megsquirt based system you wo...   Jan 15 2015, 05:47 AM
Harpo   Clewett offers a system. Although it is for 4 plu...   Jan 11 2015, 02:30 PM
jarred   Stugray: I've looked into developing the compu...   Jan 14 2015, 02:18 PM
stugray   Stugray: I've looked into developing the comp...   Jan 14 2015, 05:41 PM
veekry9   http://rusefi.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Y...   Jan 14 2015, 05:47 PM
jarred   Interesting. Not sure if you looked at my advert,...   Jan 14 2015, 06:09 PM
stugray   The simple MSDs require a tach signal that represe...   Jan 14 2015, 07:53 PM
PotterPorsche   http://www.cbperformance.com/ProductDetail...roduc...   Jan 15 2015, 12:07 AM
Jake Raby   I go Electromotive. You can either buy a Tec-S and...   Jan 15 2015, 12:58 AM
Mark Henry   I don't know why you would bother doing this u...   Jan 15 2015, 06:10 AM
02loftsmoor   I don't know why you would bother doing this ...   Jan 15 2015, 01:43 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2134266' date='Jan...   Jan 15 2015, 03:52 PM
stugray   Ok, timing is important, you need a good curve, b...   Jan 15 2015, 05:59 PM
Mark Henry   Ok, timing is important, you need a good curve, ...   Jan 15 2015, 08:58 PM
stugray   If you think you are charting new territory you a...   Jan 15 2015, 09:43 PM
Mueller   I don't know why you would bother doing this ...   Jan 19 2015, 01:03 PM
Mark Henry   I don't know why you would bother doing this...   Jan 19 2015, 01:18 PM
veekry9   [quote name='jarred' post='2132700' date='Jan 11 ...   Jan 15 2015, 01:01 PM
rdauenhauer   @WLD419 who did you twin plugging/headwork? Edit: ...   Jan 15 2015, 01:27 PM
jarred   Mark: Theory is that accurately timed/mapped spark...   Jan 15 2015, 01:40 PM
veekry9   [quote name='Jake Raby' post='1961816' date='Nov ...   Jan 15 2015, 02:03 PM
veekry9   RoJfMZ9YgQc http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph...   Jan 15 2015, 04:35 PM
jarred   I suppose it depends on what "complicated...   Jan 15 2015, 04:57 PM
Mark Henry   I suppose it depends on what "complicated...   Jan 15 2015, 08:42 PM
jarred   They're getting closer http://msdroid.com/   Jan 16 2015, 02:41 PM
stugray   That is almost identical to what I built (droid ph...   Jan 16 2015, 04:23 PM
Mark Henry   Hate to say this but...bluetooth on a 50 year old ...   Jan 17 2015, 10:27 AM
stugray   Hate to say this but...bluetooth on a 50 year old...   Jan 17 2015, 11:37 AM
Mark Henry   I understand why, but to me if you do want to go t...   Jan 17 2015, 11:59 AM
stugray   I agree with you. However with the dist.s we have ...   Jan 17 2015, 12:33 PM
WLD419   There is this , use your distributor in locked mod...   Jan 17 2015, 07:02 PM
Mark Henry   There is this , use your distributor in locked mo...   Jan 18 2015, 11:37 AM
jarred   Very true. Not sure how that works. [quote na...   Jan 19 2015, 11:09 AM
Mark Henry   Very true. Not sure how that works. [quote na...   Jan 19 2015, 12:28 PM
jarred   Cool that the CB box under $200. I agree wit...   Jan 18 2015, 10:39 AM
Madswede   I'm a few days late and several dollars short ...   Jan 18 2015, 06:24 PM
Mark Henry   I'm a few days late and several dollars short...   Jan 18 2015, 06:38 PM
jarred   Ford also did EDIS control for 4's and 8's...   Jan 19 2015, 10:36 AM
DBCooper   Ford also did EDIS control for 4's and 8...   Jan 19 2015, 11:36 AM


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