 You can't turbocharge a 914, but if you could? |
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| ConeDodger |
 Jan 29 2015, 07:13 PM
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Apex killer!  Group: Members Posts: 23,868 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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I had lunch and hung out with McMark and the Original Customs crew today and an interesting subject came up...
We've all heard the old joke about how you can't turbocharge a 914. In reality, it's been done many times. Mostly badly, but it's do-able. McMark's own car is a 1.7 turbo he built as a proof-of-concept and his build has worked so well, he practically daily drives it! I know most of you have no reference for what I'm about to say but I'll try to explain; driving a 2270 stroker TypeIV is a great big bowl full of fun. The flat torque-curve means you don't have to shift all the time, just put your foot down and go. No lug, just grunt! Driving McMark's 1.7 Turbo is like driving a 2270. That, and when I have driven it, it was only at about 6# of boost or less. Turn that up, and you've got a serious screamer on your hands... His execution is about the best I've ever seen (as per usual Original Customs fare). Yet, having very nicely proven the concept, McMark has only built one other turbo engine. What gives? You guys don't like the idea of a turbocharged 914? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Let's discuss this... |
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| McMark |
Jan 29 2015, 08:39 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
The difference is that an electric fan charger is bullshit, and a turbo is real. I push around 6-7psi of boost. I've put thousands of miles on the motor and while I've made tweaks and adjustments, I haven't dealt with any major issues so far. Actually, lets be clear, I haven't dealt with ANY issues so far. I just keep trying things because for me this is a learning project. I have to try new things and keep changing things so I know what works and what doesn't.
Next step, adjustable boost control. I'd like to try out 12psi, which is still relatively low boost. I'd also like to clarify, that this isn't a veiled attempt to sell more motors or turbo kits. Rob and I were talking, and I suggested that I doubted if anyone would ever buy a turbo motor or kit from me. Which is perfectly acceptable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But Rob was surprised, as are a few other people I've talked to, but I'm not sure why there is so little interest. |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 29 2015, 09:01 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,963 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 29 2015, 06:39 PM)  I'd also like to clarify, that this isn't a veiled attempt to sell more motors or turbo kits. Rob and I were talking, and I suggested that I doubted if anyone would ever buy a turbo motor or kit from me. Which is perfectly acceptable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But Rob was surprised, as are a few other people I've talked to, but I'm not sure why there is so little interest. If i still had a /4 i would certainly be interested! Now, can we talk about a twin turbo setup for my 3.6? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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| ConeDodger |
Jan 30 2015, 12:47 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,868 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 29 2015, 07:01 PM) QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 29 2015, 06:39 PM) I'd also like to clarify, that this isn't a veiled attempt to sell more motors or turbo kits. Rob and I were talking, and I suggested that I doubted if anyone would ever buy a turbo motor or kit from me. Which is perfectly acceptable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But Rob was surprised, as are a few other people I've talked to, but I'm not sure why there is so little interest. If i still had a /4 i would certainly be interested! Now, can we talk about a twin turbo setup for my 3.6? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) wait... You want to take evil fast and see what it feels like squared? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
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ConeDodger You can't turbocharge a 914, but if you could? Jan 29 2015, 07:13 PM
SirAndy I think McMark should sell a bolt on turbo kit tha... Jan 29 2015, 07:20 PM
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I think McMark should sell a bolt on turbo kit th... Jan 29 2015, 07:23 PM ConeDodger :agree: that's a good idea! >:D
Who w... Jan 29 2015, 07:36 PM thelogo I have my doubts about turbo and reliability in th... Jan 29 2015, 07:42 PM SirAndy I have my doubts about turbo and reliability in th... Jan 29 2015, 08:07 PM thelogo
I have my doubts about turbo and reliability in t... Jan 29 2015, 08:30 PM Mueller
I have my doubts about turbo and reliability in t... Jan 29 2015, 10:32 PM thelogo
I have my doubts about turbo and reliability in ... Jan 30 2015, 10:06 PM bulitt
I have my doubts about turbo and reliability in t... Jan 30 2015, 08:02 AM gryphon68
But I assume premium fuel is required
And didnt... Jan 30 2015, 09:59 AM thelogo Here we go and I'm not against turbo ing
My ... Jan 29 2015, 07:50 PM thelogo :bump:
Mcmark I think from what I 've heard ... Jan 29 2015, 07:53 PM ConeDodger
:bump:
Mcmark I think from what I 've heard... Jan 29 2015, 07:59 PM ConeDodger
The difference is that an electric fan charger is... Jan 29 2015, 08:56 PM Philip W.
[quote name='McMark' post='2140184' date='Jan 29 ... Jan 30 2015, 01:46 PM Mark Henry
I'd also like to clarify, that this isn... Jan 30 2015, 07:51 AM Black22 He did indeed drive it to WCR in the Dalles, OR.
... Jan 29 2015, 08:42 PM McMark
He did indeed drive it to WCR in the Dalles, OR.
... Jan 29 2015, 08:47 PM warpig
He did indeed drive it to WCR in the Dalles, OR.... Jan 29 2015, 09:49 PM Krieger Mark let me drive his car more than a year ago. I... Jan 29 2015, 09:18 PM iamchappy Just drop a 930 engine in it and your good to go. ... Jan 29 2015, 09:18 PM jim_hoyland Haven't there been some off-the-shelf turbo ki... Jan 29 2015, 09:28 PM McMark Yeah, there was at least one. It stopped being pr... Jan 29 2015, 09:32 PM oldschool OK I want one :evilgrin: Jan 29 2015, 10:00 PM ConeDodger
OK I want one :evilgrin:
You sir will need a no... Jan 30 2015, 12:50 AM oldschool
OK I want one :evilgrin:
You sir will need a n... Jan 30 2015, 01:12 PM G e o r g e The only "kit" I can remember was the on... Jan 29 2015, 10:08 PM Chris Pincetich I'm saving my $$ :beer2:
I can go ... Jan 29 2015, 10:12 PM messix so how could this be adapted to a L-jet 1.8?
wha... Jan 29 2015, 10:14 PM rick 918-S Mark, Post a link to your thread. I think we need ... Jan 29 2015, 10:15 PM McMark
so how could this be adapted to a L-jet 1.8?
wh... Jan 29 2015, 11:17 PM Mueller I've read all of Marks thread as well as Ottos... Jan 29 2015, 11:26 PM ConeDodger When I wrote the original post for this thread, I ... Jan 30 2015, 12:58 AM ThePaintedMan I would definitely consider a turbo from McMark if... Jan 30 2015, 07:24 AM rdauenhauer CON: No Heat! Jan 30 2015, 08:50 AM McMark
CON: No Heat!
Working on that. >:D Jan 30 2015, 10:11 AM mbseto This really sounds like getting at least some bene... Jan 30 2015, 09:49 AM r_towle marty built a kit back in the day and if I recall ... Jan 30 2015, 12:51 PM Maltese Falcon
marty built a kit back in the day and if I recall... Jan 30 2015, 08:44 PM monkeyboy One I get my Microsquirt up and running it is next... Jan 30 2015, 12:55 PM r_towle what are the pro/cons of either a jenvy throttle b... Jan 30 2015, 12:58 PM oldschool OK with all of the smart pep's that hang out h... Jan 30 2015, 01:25 PM euro911 :popcorn: Jan 30 2015, 02:14 PM nein14 Mine has been driving and reliable for 10 years an... Jan 30 2015, 07:31 PM thelogo Don't increase my tension
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And ca... Jan 30 2015, 10:21 PM Maltese Falcon Barrel to cylinder head flame rings, there are mat... Jan 30 2015, 11:45 PM r_towle
Barrel to cylinder head flame rings, there are ma... Jan 31 2015, 10:17 AM Maltese Falcon Compression ratio chart, or:
What happens to your ... Jan 30 2015, 11:56 PM mepstein
Compression ratio chart, or:
What happens to your... Jan 31 2015, 08:30 AM jim_hoyland Is MSDS going to revisit this product for a 914 ?.... Jan 31 2015, 07:51 AM Maltese Falcon
Is MSDS going to revisit this product for a 914 ?... Jan 31 2015, 03:39 PM Mark Henry At what point do you have to twin plug the turbo e... Jan 31 2015, 08:22 AM Mark Henry Matching groove cut into head and cylinder, the fi... Jan 31 2015, 10:58 AM Mueller
Matching groove cut into head and cylinder, the f... Jan 31 2015, 11:38 AM PotterPorsche I believe same topic. Not a fan of bernie bergmann... Jan 31 2015, 11:35 AM Randal Moggy, over in the paddock section, has been hard ... Jan 31 2015, 12:06 PM Mueller Bumping this back up to move the Subaru swap threa... Feb 27 2015, 03:41 PM Andyrew I think thats too big of a turbo. I know its a var... Feb 27 2015, 05:10 PM McMark Yup. Keep it small. The 1.7 doesn't breathe a ... Feb 27 2015, 08:22 PM Mueller
Yup. Keep it small. The 1.7 doesn't breathe a... Feb 27 2015, 08:54 PM ConeDodger
Yup. Keep it small. The 1.7 doesn't breathe a... Feb 27 2015, 10:10 PM Mueller
Yup. Keep it small. The 1.7 doesn't breathe ... Feb 28 2015, 09:12 AM nein14 my car originally has a K26 from a 944 turbo spool... Feb 28 2015, 10:16 AM 914forme "Bumping this back up to move the Subaru swap... Feb 28 2015, 10:38 AM ConeDodger
"Bumping this back up to move the Subaru swa... Feb 28 2015, 12:30 PM Dave_Darling Hey, Mike--you might want to get the car actually ... Feb 28 2015, 11:29 AM ottox914 Check out the build threads in my sig.
Get a sni... Mar 2 2015, 08:49 AM Mueller Thanks Dave,
I've gone back and read your thr... Mar 2 2015, 09:12 AM toon1
Thanks Dave,
I've gone back and read your th... Mar 4 2015, 11:05 PM falcor75 I've toyed with the idea of turbo since before... Mar 2 2015, 09:32 AM Andyrew You could do what the modern FI turbo guys do and ... Mar 4 2015, 02:50 PM veekry9
Oi,give us a hand.Grab that shovel.
TurboJet
J... Mar 5 2015, 08:01 AM BSACafe Yup....I'm digging up this thread from a year ... Feb 19 2016, 02:20 PM jmill I wasn't into this idea until I started lookin... Feb 19 2016, 02:51 PM ConeDodger When Mark did this, I silently said to myself, ... Feb 20 2016, 02:35 PM BSACafe McMark...how many people would need to be signed u... Feb 22 2016, 12:18 PM euro911 McMark...how many people would need to be signed u... Feb 22 2016, 08:06 PM McMark Mine is built on a 100% stock 1.7. The idea was t... Feb 22 2016, 12:46 PM Mueller
Mine is built on a 100% stock 1.7. The idea was ... Feb 22 2016, 06:22 PM r_towle
Mine is built on a 100% stock 1.7. The idea was... Feb 22 2016, 09:06 PM McMark
Mine is built on a 100% stock 1.7. The idea was... Feb 23 2016, 08:03 AM |
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