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> 914 Engine Choices, Will buy 914, if I can build a monster
GreekDriver
post Aug 31 2004, 07:13 PM
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Hello. I'm a BMW fan, sorry guys. But the 914 has to be one of the funnest cars I've ever driven! Other than its transmission feeling like shifting through oatmeal and damn near impossible to get a smoot shift out of... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) (This is on all 914s I've driven, even one with a rebuilt transmission)

Well, there's a nice 914 for sale, with minimal rust, original motor, great interior and paint, and low miles. It's a 76 2.0l I believe, in Black. A fella in the neighborhood has had it since 1979 and barely driven it. He's not a car guy, he bought it because it looked nice. It drives nicely, but it lacks power, and the brakes don't impress me.

It's going to need an engine and rebuilding the type iv to its horrible stock form would just piss me off. Alot. I've been looking at engine options and I have no clue on what to do. I want lightweight, EXTREMELY high revving, past 10k RPMs, and over 190hp. So the V8s are out of the question. I've thought about a 2.0l Carrea motor, as those should be able to rev like hell when built. But I haven't really seen much info on them anywhere. Another Idea I had was an S14 engine from the E30 M3(1988 BMW M3), but I have no clue what transmission I'd use and how I'd get it to work... My last idea was to build an M10 up. The M10 was THE I-4 out of the BMW 2002s, E21s, and some E30s. It loves boost, the 1.5l block was doing 1500hp for BMW F1 in the 80s. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I would try to find a way to get it to rev high in N/A form, or boost it. But again, I don't know how I'd get it to work with the 914.

Anyways, just give me some general ideas guys. I'd worry about suspension and brakes later. Oh, and the damn transmission would be going to the yard and I'm going to request to see it crunched, it would make me feel so good.

Thanks! And it's nice to be here! Hopefully I'll get some interesting responses to push me to buy that car.
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post Sep 2 2004, 09:43 AM
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I tried real hard not to post, but I can resist no longer (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You get snotty remarks, basically because you ask for them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Not because you say the type4 or other pieces/parts of the 914 are crap... We don't care about any of that. 914-ers have thick skins and are used to that (on the porsche-scale, most consider the 914 to be somewhere down in the gutter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif))

It's your BS remarks about things like it needs to rev over 9.5K, turbo, 1500bhp, blah, blah, blah... that will get you into trouble here.

Most people here have "been there, done that" and know a few things about these cars.
Some of them worked, raced or converted them for as long as the car is around, so they should know a thing or 2 about what works and what doesn't

We've had guys like you come and go here before. You come off with BS claims and a "know it all" attitude. Stuff like that may impress people on a BMW, Honda or other rice-racer forum, but here people will just laugh their asses off and tell you to piss off (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

So there you have it...

Back on topic:
Like I mentioned earlier... even IF you can build that 225bhp/litre engine that only weighs 30#, how are you gonna get that kind of power to the wheels?
A 901 box won't hold up for sure, and even a converted 915 (bring serious money) probably won't last long.
To handle that kind of power. You'd probably be looking at a modified 930 tranny (most likely not hip enuf for you because it only has 4 gears and wouldn't work in your case because of your high reving small powerband engine either).
More likely you'll need a late G50 type transmission (again bring serious money and then some to get it running in a midengined car).

I don't think I've heard you mention 1 thing about suspension upgrades and very little about brake upgrades.
Typical for any boy-racer, because you'd think that huge bhp's will win a race.
People here know different and will learn how to drive first, build a good suspension/brakes second and get more power once they know they can handle it
Another reason (for me) to think you're just full of BS.

For now, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, just a little longer and see what happens next...

About the electronic parts catalog and even the factory manual... yes, they exist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
you'll have to ask nicely and someone here may point you in the right direction (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Oh, btw... Sean was wrong about the 3.2 it makes 230 (not 320) bhp in stock trim
Don't know too much about BMW's (nor do I care about them) but IIRC that's what the recent 3.2 3series BMW puts out, so BMW is only like 2 decades behind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif)

cheers,

Jeroen
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GreekDriver   914 Engine Choices   Aug 31 2004, 07:13 PM
lapuwali   You'll find that no matter what gearbox you us...   Aug 31 2004, 07:40 PM
VegasRacer   If you want high revs plus hp, what about a Mazda ...   Aug 31 2004, 07:44 PM
rick 918-S   Stick to BMW's. You don't appear to have a...   Aug 31 2004, 08:19 PM
Mueller   damn Rich, I didn't know you has so many of th...   Aug 31 2004, 08:29 PM
GreekDriver   <...   Aug 31 2004, 08:44 PM
seanery   As far as brakes go, just make sure the current sy...   Aug 31 2004, 08:45 PM
GreekDriver   ...   Aug 31 2004, 08:46 PM
GreekDriver   <...   Aug 31 2004, 08:54 PM
rick 918-S   Yes you can use BMW calipers. some guy's use m...   Aug 31 2004, 09:07 PM
lapuwali  
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DerekKim   Hey GreekDriver how much does your neighbour want ...   Aug 31 2004, 09:20 PM
BatAc   Greekdriver, I gotta' tell ya' I love the ...   Aug 31 2004, 10:11 PM
Aaron Cox     Aug 31 2004, 10:14 PM
SirAndy   <...   Aug 31 2004, 11:04 PM
morphenspectra   i wonder how well a bmw shifts that was mfg from 7...   Aug 31 2004, 11:18 PM
SirAndy  
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tesserra   I too had BMW 2002's before my 914. Yes they s...   Aug 31 2004, 11:42 PM
SirAndy   ...   Aug 31 2004, 11:45 PM
Kevin@ojai.net   :agree: I like the way the 914 shifts.   Aug 31 2004, 11:54 PM
soloracer  
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Kevin@ojai.net   HAHA! Ok, ok I haven't driven my 914 in a...   Sep 1 2004, 12:10 AM
GreekDriver   I'm going to look at the 914 again today, be s...   Sep 1 2004, 12:53 AM
redshift   Not a very good idea.. You could, for the same mo...   Sep 1 2004, 01:19 AM
fiid   <...   Sep 1 2004, 01:30 AM
fiid   Oh yeah Mueller - we can race with the ARC - which...   Sep 1 2004, 01:36 AM
GreekDriver     Sep 1 2004, 02:09 AM
redshift   http://www.v8914.com/   Sep 1 2004, 02:31 AM
GreekDriver   <...   Sep 1 2004, 03:11 AM
Jeroen   ...   Sep 1 2004, 08:50 AM
d7n7master   If you have issues with the way the tranny shifts,...   Sep 1 2004, 09:03 AM
DNHunt   I'm really surprised we're being so hard o...   Sep 1 2004, 09:12 AM
aircooledboy   :agree: Sheesh. Easy up on the guy ladies. He is...   Sep 1 2004, 09:40 AM
vortrex   dude you should do a 914 limo conversion, they aut...   Sep 1 2004, 09:51 AM
soloracer   GreekDriver: Go to http://www.kennedyeng.com and ...   Sep 1 2004, 10:33 AM
Brett W   Alright someone that thinks along my lines. First...   Sep 1 2004, 10:56 AM
tdgray     Sep 1 2004, 11:18 AM
lapuwali   I find it interesting that we have three people at...   Sep 1 2004, 11:50 AM
DerekKim   Are you saying that it's the same person?   Sep 1 2004, 12:25 PM
ArtechnikA   <...   Sep 1 2004, 12:36 PM
DerekKim   Ahh ok. Yeah I've actually been lurking aroudn...   Sep 1 2004, 12:42 PM
Sammy   It sounds to me like you are describing a Honda S2...   Sep 1 2004, 01:18 PM
Mueller  
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GreekDriver   A 300+hp BMW powered 914 that is light weight is h...   Sep 1 2004, 03:34 PM
Aaron Cox   leave the 914 alone... put a v8 in a 2002 :woohoo:   Sep 1 2004, 03:37 PM
Mueller  
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Headrage   Hell, just build a massive 500ci chevy full alcoho...   Sep 1 2004, 05:53 PM
GreekDriver     Sep 1 2004, 06:32 PM
Aaron Cox   sounds like a BMW BBS huh :confused: , 1st questi...   Sep 1 2004, 06:39 PM
seanery   Those motors are good. My buddy has an EVO spec 2....   Sep 1 2004, 06:52 PM
!   He needs to spell out his last name before I think...   Sep 1 2004, 08:23 PM
GreekDriver     Sep 1 2004, 09:01 PM
GreekDriver   And some of you people are so unfriendly! I gu...   Sep 1 2004, 09:16 PM
Andyrew   Out of curiosity.. How much money do you have to s...   Sep 1 2004, 09:18 PM
Andyrew   v8 914's are about 2300 to 2400 lbs, in stock ...   Sep 1 2004, 09:19 PM
!   Ooooppsie...WE must be related...he's gettin...   Sep 1 2004, 09:25 PM
airsix  
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Aaron Cox   <...   Sep 1 2004, 10:11 PM
GreekDriver   Oh geez, I forgot to tell you guys about the 914 t...   Sep 1 2004, 10:59 PM
seanery   the area under the battery that is making the rear...   Sep 1 2004, 11:41 PM
Mueller   I only paid $800 for my 914 so piss off, LOL ...   Sep 2 2004, 12:16 AM
GreekDriver   I don't really need mechanical knowledge, I ne...   Sep 2 2004, 01:28 AM
lapuwali  
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Jeroen   I tried real hard not to post, but I can resist no...   Sep 2 2004, 09:43 AM
ArtechnikA   <...   Sep 2 2004, 09:45 AM
Mueller   about the only thing available for the 914 is foun...   Sep 2 2004, 09:51 AM
lapuwali  
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seanery   oops, sorry bout the typo. :o   Sep 2 2004, 11:14 AM
Aaron Cox   i think he should do some huge hig revving 1500hp ...   Sep 2 2004, 11:29 AM
Sammy   My V8 914 weighed around 2400 pounds and I beat up...   Sep 2 2004, 12:26 PM
gklinger   :agree: Great post Sammy. I've had my '7...   Sep 2 2004, 12:48 PM
GreekDriver   I don't see what's wrong with a higher rev...   Sep 2 2004, 01:50 PM
rhodyguy   a done, well sorted, high end car in the classifie...   Sep 2 2004, 01:56 PM
GreekDriver   <...   Sep 2 2004, 01:58 PM
Sammy   Ok troll, knock yourself out. Do it and them come ...   Sep 2 2004, 02:02 PM
Jeroen     Sep 3 2004, 07:01 PM
bryanthompson     Sep 4 2004, 11:07 AM
J P Stein     Sep 5 2004, 01:03 AM
redshift   I've been driving a 914, or another for damned...   Sep 5 2004, 01:13 AM
rhodyguy   the more i think about it, the more cents you plan...   Sep 5 2004, 08:10 AM
Headrage   WUH HAPPIN? No more posts? Give up? :confused:   Sep 7 2004, 04:01 PM
ArtechnikA   what's to post? once again, the choices are: ...   Sep 7 2004, 04:43 PM
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