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Ben's 914 TURBO Official World Premier, 'cuz it didn't blowd up. |
airsix |
Sep 13 2004, 01:04 AM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Ok, so it isn't as cool as Chapman's 914-6 Turbo 3.0, but it's a turbo 914 all the same. Ladys and Gentlemen, at about 10:00 PST I got boost and there was much rejoicing. I took the car out, filled it with premium, tuned it with the laptop a little to make sure it got plenty of fuel under boost, and the mission was a sucess. Boost starts to come on at ~2,700rpm and is going full-steam by 3,500rpm.
I stand (ok, sit) here before you my brothers to declare that yes indeed, you can turbo a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) Details: Engine: '73 1.7, stock internals EFI ECU: Perfect Power MIC3 (Cost ~$500 to get on the car and running 3 years ago) Misc EFI stuff: Subaru 1.8T injectors, Holly throttle body off a 3.0 Chrysler, BMW 5xx fuel pump, foam motorcycle aircleaner (temporary) Turbo: IHI off 1.8L Subaru (including wastegate) Misc Turbo stuff: Bosch blow-off valve (for a Saab I think). Cheap. Plastic. Works great. Total cost to add turbo: $175 (EFI was already on the car. Use Megasquirt+turbo and you can do this for <$400 easy) I tried to modify my fuel pressure regulator with a boost-reference port like the in the dune-buggy.com article but I broke off a wire guage drill bit about 1.5" deep into the bolt. Dang. Only had about a quarter-inch to go too. So I just bolted it back on the car and set the fuel pressure at the 30psi I have the ECU turned for. I tried to crank up the injector pulse width under boost to compensate, but they hit 100% duty cycle at 5,000rpm because at that point they only have 20psi effective pressure (because there's 10lb of boost by that point). So I'm keeping it under 5k rpm until I get a rising-rate pressure regulator. The wideband O2 says mixtures are just fine below that point. I estimate I'm getting 110hp (That's not a WAG. I really did the math) which doesn't sound like much but is sure better than the 80hp I had before. I would still like to add an intercooler which could put it in the neighborhood of 130hp without getting too boost-happy. Even as it is now I would say it's 100% more fun to drive. I'm really happy about it. I'll get the pressure regulator issue squared away so I can run it up to 6k and I think it'll keep me happy for quite a while. Rick said "This thread is worthless without pictures" so here's the best I could do. If you missed the earlier thread I'll throw in one of the earlier pics too. I tried to make a video but all you hear is wind noice and the blow-off valve between shifts. |
andys |
Sep 17 2004, 10:42 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(lapuwali @ Sep 16 2004, 04:18 PM) Older OEM turbo engines often had low CR as a conservative safety measure. It allowed an idiot owner to put regular gas in the car and not kill the engine completely, just cause enough knock to remind them not to do that again. It also allowed the car to be run at very high ambient temps with the AC on while driving up a steep grade, the worst possible combination. With modern engine controls, spark timing can be retarded and boost regulated more effectively to keep cylinder pressures down while still having a high CR. This kind of thing was hard to do in the 80s, and pretty much impossible in the 70s, so early turbo cars just ran low CR. With a knock sensor, you can control knock pretty well and keep CR and boost relatively high, and still allow an idiot owner to put in a tank of regular on a 100 degree day while getting ready to drive west out of Denver and keep the engine safe by just disabling most of the boost. It's the advent of these electronics that are allowing turbos to reappear in OEM apps after they nearly vanished for awhile. Modern systems are now so good that turbo lag is nearly gone completely, and it's often hard to tell the turbo is there at all. Addition to the history: The '63 and up (not exactly sure of the start date, but that should be close) Corvair Corsa had only a pressure retard diaphram on a Delco mechanical distributor. 6 degrees retard is what I recall. Carburetion was a side draught Rochester single barrel ahead of the turbo. No waste gate. CR was I believe 8:1 with open chamber heads, and a nitrided crank;the later Corsa's were making 180HP. This, on a '60's vintage air cooled motor. They were fast with a few easy mod's.....'65 Corsa with wrapped exhaust, and a two barrel down draught carb on an ICO manifold, and this thing was as fast as an stock early Z28. Ran El Mirage at 131MPH in a standing start one mile run; that was in '68 or '69. The '63 Olds Jetfire had an aluminum 215 cu. in. 215HP V8, 10.25:1 CR, and 8 lbs boost. It too had a Rochester side draught carb ahead of the turbo, but with an elaborate alcohol injection system. Dash pot on the trottle plate kept it from snapping shut under declleration to keep from pulling down the turbo and avoiding pulling oil through the carbon seal on the impeller shaft. Featured a water cooled impeller housing, and a differential pressure waste gate. It was manufactured by Air Research. I ran one of these set up's on a six cylinder '69 American. A friend owned the Jetfire, and it was really quick in it's day (it was what was considered at the time, a compact car). Had AC, no knock sensors, no electronic boost or timing controls, and no detonation. Lots of other turbo stories, but this will do for now. Andy |
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