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Popping, stuttering, PW and Batt Voltage dropping, bad battery or bad generator? |
Madswede |
Sep 25 2015, 01:34 PM
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Flat Out Driver Group: Members Posts: 853 Joined: 13-September 06 From: Rio Rancho NM Member No.: 6,831 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Well, I have been wondering why my car will not run well under load. I'm beginning to think, after all, that the latest issue has to do with a bad generator and/or small race battery.
Info: engine is a customized 3.2L, twin plug, Dougherty racing cam with high overlap, JE pistons with high compression (10.5:1), and PMO ITBs. It is EFI via EDIS, controlled by a Megasquirt system. It has been tuned using TPS (alpha-N I believe it's called) instead of MAP due to the difficulties with ITBs and a good MAP signal. The guys at PMCI (I do believe them) said it was working fantastic when they had it, albeit a bit rich. I took it home two weeks ago and had these issues immediately. Called them, they are quite busy, but suggested that the battery might be a problem - they used an Optima temporarily to tune it, and since that's the only difference between when they had it running and my problems, I'm thinking that might be the source of the problem. More evidence: before they had it for tuning, the Generator light would come on after starting and not go away without a briefly sustained rev to about 1200-2000 rpm. After logging and looking at the logs, I've noticed that the pulse width (PW) bounces (dropping to 0 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) very briefly) under load and the AFR can spike super lean when this happens. The car bucks, pops, and shows all the signs of having a messed up fuel mixture under any more than 10% load, so I can putter around but cannot accelerate or even go up a steep hill without making a helluva racket and being bucked around in my seat. I noticed on the log that my battery voltage drops at these times ... from 13.5V to around 12 V ... not much, but shouldn't this not be happening at all? Isn't the generator (if it were working properly) capable of keeping up with the minor load the injectors are putting on it under throttle? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Anyone have any experience with this?? I'm thinking of a new battery anyway, since the shop's Optima worked out well, but I don't want to mask the problem by buying an expensive new battery if the generator is the problem. If I do get a new battery, I'll probably go a bit larger than the Braille B2015, so any suggestions there are welcome. It will have to have a lay down bracket available so I can keep it basically where the Braille is now ... I'm thinking a bigger Braille or an Odyssey model will avoid the issues I've heard about Optima's. So I'm pinging the World here, looking for experiences you may have had ... Tack! |
Dave_Darling |
Sep 25 2015, 06:18 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 15,051 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
What's providing the RPM signal? A 36-1 wheel? Distributor points, or hall effect sensor? I'd start with that...
I'd also go over the connections again. Especially the grounds, and especially the connections at the battery itself. (Both + and ground.) And yes, you have an alternator and not a generator. I'm pretty sure that none of the 9-series cars ever had a generator. Not sure when the 356s changed over, though. --DD |
euro911 |
Oct 13 2015, 11:34 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,857 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
What's providing the RPM signal? A 36-1 wheel? Distributor points, or hall effect sensor? I'd start with that... 356s & 912s (except the '76 912'E') all had generators. 911s have always had alternators.I'd also go over the connections again. Especially the grounds, and especially the connections at the battery itself. (Both + and ground.) And yes, you have an alternator and not a generator. I'm pretty sure that none of the 9-series cars ever had a generator. Not sure when the 356s changed over, though. --DD |
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